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Possibly Not Taking Kids on an Amazing Holiday...... WWYD?

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19lottie82 · 19/08/2014 09:43

Sorry this is kind of long!

I’m 32 and have recently got married to my DH, after 4.5 years together, who has 2 girls (14 and 10) who we have 50% of the time, we all get along really well so no problems there.

The girls mum is a recovering alcoholic, who sorted herself out about 2.5 years ago, and now works, and has them 50% of the time. She is doing a bit better, but still pretty useless in terms of providing for the girls (we buy pretty much everything, despite her promises to buy ½ school uniforms etc, it never happens). She has promised that she will take the girls to New York in 2015 to her cousins wedding, but based on past experience, I really can’t see it.

My IL’s have a small holiday home in the Algarve, so the girls get taken there every year without fail, which they love. The girls love it and it’s really great as it means we can all have a break with only budget flights and spending money to cover. Also, the kids are not spoilt, but they do not go without in terms of gadgets, clothes pocket money. I think my DH tries to make up for their useless Mum, in some ways.

About two years ago my OH and I went to Florida for a week together, without the kids, I felt a bit guilty, but it was the only holiday we had taken together, ever, and when we were looking for a week in Europe, a very cheap deal popped up (as it was term time I guess), so we grabbed it. The kids didn’t seem that fussed (they have been before), but I did feel a bit bad going without them.

Then last month we went away without them on our honeymoon for 10 days, round SE Asia (paid for by my parents as a wedding present), I don’t think the kids would have even wanted to go to these locations and it was our honeymoon, so I don’t feel too guilty about going away without them, but obviously, on paper, it was a child free holiday.

At the moment we are all in my flat that I bought before I met my DH, it’s a bit cramped but we are trying to make do and save up for a deposit on a house so we can upgrade to a larger place, nearer the girls school and friends. We will need a minimum of £15k, and have £3.5k so far.

So, anyway, my Dad and my DSM are moving to San Francisco shortly for 2 years. He has spoken about my DH and I going to visit, an told us he has enough Avios (air Miles) to “pay” for our flights whenever we want to go over for a visit and they have a 2 bed place, so we can stay there, no problem. Great!

However, the dilemma is, I would feel really guilty about going away without the kids again, especially to America, but the problems are…..

  1. My Dad isn’t overly keen on children, and it would be a bit of a squash with all 6 of us in a 2 bed place. If we asked, I know he wouldn’t say no they couldn’t come, but I wouldn’t impose all of us in his place for 10 days, so I guess the plan would be spend 5 days there, then hire a car for 5 days and do our own thing (California theme parks, maybe?). This obviously would cost.
  2. The “free” flights for my DH and I that my Dad is offering will be available on a few select dates only. Realistically, the chance of getting them in the school holidays, is slim to none, so to cover 4 flights during the holidays would be about £3200.

So, to cut to the crunch. Dh and I have the chance of a free holiday, we would love to take the girls, but if we do it’s going to cost us upwards of £5000, basically all our savings, when we are trying to save for a house deposit.

Also, I haven’t had any serious discussions about this with my DH, but he has already mentioned in passing to the kids about us all going there on holiday at some point, but I don’t think he has considered the cost implications (he does this a lot).
I will feel a total bitch if we can’t take them, but I think at the moment our financial priority should be focusing on the house. It’s kind of a heart vs head situation!

WWYD? Help!

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Lottiedoubtie · 19/08/2014 14:39

Oh right, so it's just the OP who is never allowed to travel without her step children ever again?

foxinthebox · 19/08/2014 14:46

OP. I'd say 'thanks Dad but I have a family now and there are four of us'.

If the girls were yours by birth you wouldn't consider leaving them and I bet you'll take your babies, when you have them.

AlpacaYourThings · 19/08/2014 14:47

FFS, this thread has the MN bitches out in force.

OP, you sound lovely. Go and visit your dad. Enjoy yourself, don't feel guilty.

Fairenuff · 19/08/2014 14:50

I'm sure it would be different if OP's dad lived in two bed terraced house in Hounslow. No-one would bat an eyelid at her visiting him with her husband whilst his children were with their mother.

Just because it's abroad doesn't make a difference to the fact that the children would still be bored sitting in a room with the adults chatting about long lost family members, etc.

Disclaimer: Nothing against Hounslow or terraced houses, just an example that popped into my head.

foxinthebox · 19/08/2014 14:52

h I see you holiday annually together! I've changed my miNd. Go, though in term time to minimise disruption to the dcs. Also buy their mum some thing nice to say thanks.

skittycat · 19/08/2014 14:55

I'm on the fence with this a bit.

My dad and step mom swanned off for 'amazing' holidays (caribbean, america etc) every year and never considered taking me and my sister. They did take us for a couple of weeks in spain/portugal but I will be honest, it was tough as a teenager knowing that my dad and partner didn't think to take us amazing places. It hasn't helped either now that they have children of their own and taken them to america etc. (yes I know that may sound childish, but I was only about 12 at the time)

It's pretty simple IMO to decide whether YABU or not… and it's down to one simple question:-

If they were your biological children, would you insist on taking them? If the answer is yes, then YABU. If the answer is no, YANBU.

miceinthemouseorgan · 19/08/2014 14:57

Also buy their mum some thing nice to say thanks.

Confused...thanks for looking after her own children?! Did I miss something?

Montegomongoose · 19/08/2014 14:57

If the girls were yours by birth you wouldn't consider leaving them and I bet you'll take your babies, when you have them.

Fox, that's the point. Of course she'd consider it. Many of us not only consider it, we've actually left our DC behind countless times over the years.

They've had plenty of UK and foreign holidays without me. It's a fantastic opportunity for all concerned.

Mine are late teens. I probably holiday without them once a year or so. I left them and went to Australia once.

Shall I turn myself in?

nauticant · 19/08/2014 15:03

If they were your biological children, would you insist on taking them? If the answer is yes, then YABU. If the answer is no, YANBU.

That's a pointless question because it would be a completely different set of circumstances. For example it would probably involve the invitation including the OP's father's grandkids.

BoffinMum · 19/08/2014 15:03

Well, I would go without a backward glance, frankly. The girls are loved and have everything children need. It's all fine.

SallyMcgally · 19/08/2014 15:06

Confused...thanks for looking after her own children?! Did I miss something?

I thought that as well, mice. I'd buy something nice for the girls, but not for their mother.
Also, I know Fox retracted her first statement but I wish people would stop saying that the OP would never leave her own children, when loads of posters have cheerfully come on and said that they have left their own children. Just go and have a lovely visit with your Dad, OP. You don't have anything to feel guilty for. Most kids don't have annual trips to Portugal, as well as already having been to USA.

mkmjimmy · 19/08/2014 15:07

Stepmothers needs holidays with just their partners and their own friends, their own family etc too. If they were going on holiday with a bunch of other adults and no kids would she be getting so much stick? I'm a stepmother and my partner and I have chosen to go away on holiday with friends from my life before I became a step mum - those friends don't have kids but I like them and want to go on holiday with them. The kids stayed at at home with their mum. The kids wouldn't have enjoyed those holidays and weren't invited.

They did get to go on holiday with their mum to see her family, who live abroad (paid for by their dad), and on other holidays with us. Of course families don't have to travel as a big unit all the time.

She should go, see her dad, have a fabulous time - with no guilt.

MorrisZapp · 19/08/2014 15:11

Get them to write you a shopping list and off you go. Everyone's a winner! The pound is strong just now.

MrsJossNaylor · 19/08/2014 15:25

I think either you go alone, or you go as a family. Leaving the girls behind while you go on yet another big holiday with their dad would be cruel.

I say this as someone whose father and stepmother went away every year when I was a child, and it really upset me.
From when I was 7 years old they went to America several times, Turkey, Greece, Iceland, Spain... I was never invited. Instead, we went camping or to a B and B in Whitby.

I think it could have a long term effect on your DHs relationship with his girls if, yet again, you don't include them.

EveDallasRetd · 19/08/2014 15:26

If they were your biological children, would you insist on taking them? If the answer is yes, then YABU. If the answer is no, YANBU

Daft comparison.

If they were OPs biological children they wouldn't have another parent at home for them to stay with as they do every other week.

As for amazing holidays. It's 10 days in a 2 bed flat with a couple of 70 year olds. Would the 14 year old really think that was "amazing"?

SallyMcgally · 19/08/2014 15:29

I say this as someone whose father and stepmother went away every year when I was a child, and it really upset me.
From when I was 7 years old they went to America several times, Turkey, Greece, Iceland, Spain... I was never invited. Instead, we went camping or to a B and B in Whitby.

But the OP and her DH take the girls away every summer to Portugal. They've only had two holidays without the girls - one was their honeymoon and the other was to Florida where the girls have already been.

Floralnomad · 19/08/2014 15:33

I think people are calling it an 'amazing holiday' - not a visit to elderly relatives because that is how the OP described it in the title of her post - hence we must assume that she sees it as an amazing holiday .

Lemonypeepee · 19/08/2014 15:35

Sorry, I accidentally pressed done too soon. I was going to say that it says a lot that you're reflecting on whether you should go or not and it's clear to me you care which is sadly not always the case with step mothers. I think you should go and explain to the kids the circumstances. It's not something you always do. Your intentions are not to deliberately exclude them. Please go and enjoy yourselves. I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to do things with the kids.

DaisyFlowerChain · 19/08/2014 15:37

Why is it a daft comparison Eve? So many seem to think step children are a hinderance and second best.

If you marry somebody with children or live with them then you have to be fully prepared to treat them as your own. I hope the DH says he won't go without them and makes the point that they are a package deal.

If they are left out now, it can only get worse if more children come along. I'm guessing the OP wouldn't leave her own children behind and arrange childcare.

skittycat · 19/08/2014 15:43

If they were OPs biological children they wouldn't have another parent at home for them to stay with as they do every other week.

Biological children could easily be left with other relatives though - grandparents, aunts etc.

The OP declared it would be an amazing holiday, so I am commenting on that basis, rather then thinking that she/they would spend the entire 10 days in a flat.

OP - Perhaps something to consider would be explaining to the two children about the situation this time, but then you and DH save up to take them somewhere amazing in a couple of years?

SallyMcgally · 19/08/2014 15:43

I'm guessing the OP wouldn't leave her own children behind and arrange childcare.

Why? Loads of posters have come on here and said that they've been perfectly happy to leave their own children at home while they've gone away with their husband/ partner? Why are you so quick to 'guess' that the OP wouldn't?

BomChickaMeowMeow · 19/08/2014 15:46

They are not "left out" though.

STOP PROJECTING ON YOUR OWN MISERY AND RTFT

DaisyFlowerChain · 19/08/2014 15:51

Because the OP never answered the question so pretty much answers it that she wouldn't leave her own.

Yes, parents do leave their children for holidays but the majority don't. It's selfish but sadly children are seen as a burden to some or cramping their lifestyle. A holiday should mean family time where everybody has fun together.

The children are being left out if their father chooses to go on this "amazing holiday" and he's also expecting somebody else to look after his children on his days.

Cheeky76890 · 19/08/2014 15:58

Go. The kids don't miss out generally at all. They are old enough to understand about finances. Can you put aside 100 for a family trip somewhere.

19lottie82 · 19/08/2014 16:01

OK, to clear a few things up.....

Maybe I worded the thread title wrong. IF we take the kids, we will do what we can to make it kid friendly, so it will be an "Amazing Holiday" for them. If we don't take them, then obviously the trip will be tailored differently.

Would I take my own kids, if I had any? Hand on my heart, I don't think I can answer that honestly, I really don't know.
BUT if I had to make a choice, if the kids were young enough not to miss out on school, so we could get cheap term time flights, then yes. If it would cost us a fortune to accommodate the trip during the summer holiday, they got a foreign holiday every year, and they had a close family member they spent half their time with anyway, then no.

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