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Possibly Not Taking Kids on an Amazing Holiday...... WWYD?

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19lottie82 · 19/08/2014 09:43

Sorry this is kind of long!

I’m 32 and have recently got married to my DH, after 4.5 years together, who has 2 girls (14 and 10) who we have 50% of the time, we all get along really well so no problems there.

The girls mum is a recovering alcoholic, who sorted herself out about 2.5 years ago, and now works, and has them 50% of the time. She is doing a bit better, but still pretty useless in terms of providing for the girls (we buy pretty much everything, despite her promises to buy ½ school uniforms etc, it never happens). She has promised that she will take the girls to New York in 2015 to her cousins wedding, but based on past experience, I really can’t see it.

My IL’s have a small holiday home in the Algarve, so the girls get taken there every year without fail, which they love. The girls love it and it’s really great as it means we can all have a break with only budget flights and spending money to cover. Also, the kids are not spoilt, but they do not go without in terms of gadgets, clothes pocket money. I think my DH tries to make up for their useless Mum, in some ways.

About two years ago my OH and I went to Florida for a week together, without the kids, I felt a bit guilty, but it was the only holiday we had taken together, ever, and when we were looking for a week in Europe, a very cheap deal popped up (as it was term time I guess), so we grabbed it. The kids didn’t seem that fussed (they have been before), but I did feel a bit bad going without them.

Then last month we went away without them on our honeymoon for 10 days, round SE Asia (paid for by my parents as a wedding present), I don’t think the kids would have even wanted to go to these locations and it was our honeymoon, so I don’t feel too guilty about going away without them, but obviously, on paper, it was a child free holiday.

At the moment we are all in my flat that I bought before I met my DH, it’s a bit cramped but we are trying to make do and save up for a deposit on a house so we can upgrade to a larger place, nearer the girls school and friends. We will need a minimum of £15k, and have £3.5k so far.

So, anyway, my Dad and my DSM are moving to San Francisco shortly for 2 years. He has spoken about my DH and I going to visit, an told us he has enough Avios (air Miles) to “pay” for our flights whenever we want to go over for a visit and they have a 2 bed place, so we can stay there, no problem. Great!

However, the dilemma is, I would feel really guilty about going away without the kids again, especially to America, but the problems are…..

  1. My Dad isn’t overly keen on children, and it would be a bit of a squash with all 6 of us in a 2 bed place. If we asked, I know he wouldn’t say no they couldn’t come, but I wouldn’t impose all of us in his place for 10 days, so I guess the plan would be spend 5 days there, then hire a car for 5 days and do our own thing (California theme parks, maybe?). This obviously would cost.
  2. The “free” flights for my DH and I that my Dad is offering will be available on a few select dates only. Realistically, the chance of getting them in the school holidays, is slim to none, so to cover 4 flights during the holidays would be about £3200.

So, to cut to the crunch. Dh and I have the chance of a free holiday, we would love to take the girls, but if we do it’s going to cost us upwards of £5000, basically all our savings, when we are trying to save for a house deposit.

Also, I haven’t had any serious discussions about this with my DH, but he has already mentioned in passing to the kids about us all going there on holiday at some point, but I don’t think he has considered the cost implications (he does this a lot).
I will feel a total bitch if we can’t take them, but I think at the moment our financial priority should be focusing on the house. It’s kind of a heart vs head situation!

WWYD? Help!

OP posts:
Pastperfect · 19/08/2014 13:05

Don't think anyone has an issue with the OP honeymooning without her SC, do they Confused

The issue is the second h

Pastperfect · 19/08/2014 13:07

The issue is the second holiday two months later without the SC.

However I appear to be reading a different thread to everyone else - since I understood the Florida holiday was two years ago, not "years ago".

OP perhaps for balance you could say how many times you've been on ha with your SC?

Lemonypeepee · 19/08/2014 13:09

Op, I think it's reall

Thenapoleonofcrime · 19/08/2014 13:10

I'm married and sometimes go away with my husband without my children, is that not a good thing to do then? We have had the odd romantic weekend in this country, a trip to a romantic city for a week, it's lovely. Children go to stay with the grandparents, we get to spend some time together. I had no idea this was controversial or a sign of a bad/uncommitted parent.

Obviously we have family holidays as well, usually one or two a year, but the one doesn't preclude the other.

OP, I wouldn't pitch this as an amazing holiday, I'd discuss visiting your father. A two-bed house with a not that child oriented person isn't going to be great for them. I would go with your DH during a time the girls are normally with their mother. Don't see any issue unless you were off all the time on fancy holidays and the children never were on any of them.

Pastperfect · 19/08/2014 13:11

Holiday I bloody give up

TravellingToad · 19/08/2014 13:11

OP YANBU you and DH should go alone

AggressiveBunting · 19/08/2014 13:15

It seems pretty clear that the Florida holiday for the whole family (OP, DH plus 2DSD) will be (1) prohibitively expensive and (2) not really a holiday with 6 of them in the flat with a DF who doesn't like children and hasn't expressly invited them. Therefore, take that out of the equation.

The DSD have just had 2 weeks in Portugal, as they have every year, so presumably for the last 3 years, the OP, her now DH and the DSD have had 2 weeks in Portugal together, so its not as though if the OP goes to Florida, it means the DSD don't get a "dad funded holiday".

Therefore, I think it's ok, but if I was the OP i'd probably just go by myself and spend some time with my dad.

SallyMcgally · 19/08/2014 13:17

A two-bed house with a not that child oriented person isn't going to be great for them.
Absolutely agree, and it's not going to be that great for the hosts either!

HolidayPackingIsHardWork · 19/08/2014 13:20

Speaking as a child of a "blended family", I'd go on the holiday without the kids. I'd see it as a gift from my parents being offered to me and my partner, not a family holiday.

After that I'd buckle down and save for the house you all need. And then, the next holiday funded by you and your partner should include his daughters. It doesn't have to be Orlando FL, etc. A cottage by the sea in Britain is fine, if you can afford it. It's being included and being together that counts. And, finally, for heaven's sake, don't run off to Disney World just you and your partner! Grin

Oakmaiden · 19/08/2014 13:22

"The girls love it and it’s really great as it means we can all have a break with only budget flights and spending money to cover."

Sounds to me like OP does go on holiday to Portugal with the girls. Not to mention that when she and her then bf went to Florida the girls had been there themselves recently. So it doesn't strike me as a family where the adults are off jet-setting to exotic locations at the drop of a hat, leaving the poor neglected children completely holidayless.

My children have never holidayed abroad (and the eldest is 16). I think it sounds to me like these children, despite their shit situation with a struggling mother, are given some fantastic opportunities.

I would go. I would (like the OP) feel bad about it, but for all the reasons the OP has given it just makes sense to make this an adult holiday. Although, if it were me, I would leave it until at least next April/May, so there was a bigger gap following the honeymoon.

BreadForBrains · 19/08/2014 13:23

Yabu. And selfish IMO.
But I was left at home with grandparents year upon year while my mum went off on holidays with her friends and my stepdads. So I'm just bitter!
We never had other holidays, gps weren't thrilled, it was horrible to be sat wondering why no one gave a shit about us.
Dp and I have 3/4 holidays a year with all the family. We have a weekend each where we go away separately, so I leave dp Home with the dc and vice versa for a 3 day weekend. Then once a year we have a weekend away together without the DC. Who get left with family with a brilliant weekend lined up.
For me, it's about the dc feeling secure and loved. If you feel as though the dc are secure and happy, off you go.
I wouldn't in your circumstances, but I have explained why.
Oh, and I also wouldn't bother my arse going to visit someone who didn't like/welcome my dc. Step or not.

EllenJanesthickerknickers · 19/08/2014 13:26

My DC have holidays without me! They have been on school residentials, geography field trips abroad and one holiday a year with their dad. Last year it was to Florida. So I took myself off on holiday the same week. Should I feel guilty about it? I don't think so.

Incidentally, I took them on holiday myself to Center Parcs, to Gran Canaria for a week in Feb and on a barge holiday for 5 days.

If you have your DC or DSC 50/50 then I'm sure taking them on 50% of your own holidays is fine, IMO. It's a shame that their mum doesn't seem to take them away, but they'll still have quality time with her as well.

Lottiedoubtie · 19/08/2014 13:26

I wouldn't in your circumstances, but I have explained why.

Er no you haven't. You've said you were upset at being left annually with grandparents who didnt give a shit. You've also said you didn't go on any other holidays.

The OP proposes to 'leave' the children with their mother, on a week that they normally stay with their mother in term time. And has already spent 2 weeks on holiday in Portugal with them this year, as she does every year.

WooWooOwl · 19/08/2014 13:29

It is incredibly unfair to call the OP selfish for wanting to visit her own Dad, especially considering the cost issues and the fact that her step children will be with their own mother, not grandparents.

EveDallasRetd · 19/08/2014 13:31

Why can't people simply read the OP and her subsequent posts? All the I do is in them.

Two years ago, when OP was just dating her now DH they went to Florida for a week in Term Time when the children were at school. The girls had been to Florida the year previously and Portugal that year.

The OP, her DH and the children go to Portugal for 2 weeks every year.

OP went on Honeymoon without the children in Jul.

The trip to SF is funded by someone else and will take place in Term Time.

Taking the children would mean either going outside Term Time (even more expensive) or trying to get permission for 2 weeks off school for a child in Options year? I don't think so somehow. If they take the more expensive option it will mean even longer until they can have a suitable family home for everyone.

FFS, it's a no-brainer if people would just READ.

SallyMcgally · 19/08/2014 13:32

Oh, and I also wouldn't bother my arse going to visit someone who didn't like/welcome my dc. Step or not.
Seriously?! So now the OP shouldn't visit her own father because he's not particularly child-oriented. That's ridiculous.

holidaysarenice · 19/08/2014 13:37

I don see a problem with this at all. Many parents have holidays and weekends without their kids an don't have this angst.

Go term time when they can't come if it helps. But the ultimate answer is that you and dh are going to see your parents.

Especially the 14 year old should understand the cost implications

kelda · 19/08/2014 13:39

If you have 50/50 care, and the girls are with their mother when you want to go away, then I don't see it as a problem that you want to go and visit your father in a foreign country.

yumyumpoppycat · 19/08/2014 13:43

Pretty much agree with eve. Especially if you can do it in a week (pos with an extra weekend tied on if their mother is ok with that) when they live with their dm as it wont affect their schedule much. Like others have said present it as visiting your dad with your husband at his invitation rather than jetting off to america for a free hol.

19lottie82 · 19/08/2014 13:48

Pastperfect - Yes my DH and I take the girls to Portugal every year, their DGP's let us stay at their holiday home. They don't use it in the Summer as they tend to go in the Winter when it's cooler.

OP posts:
Fairenuff · 19/08/2014 13:51

I don't see any problem with visiting your dad, with your husband, at a time when you don't have the children with you.

QueenBean · 19/08/2014 13:54

Some truly bizarre responses here especially the one that says the OP shouldn't see her father again because he didn't invite the children to visit. Wtf?!

OP you sound like a lovely and very considerate SP. It's equally important to have a good relationship with your own father. Going for the 10 days and your DH going for the week they're with their mother sounds like a great compromise and will give you a few days of quality time with your father. Don't feel guilty about it and enjoy!

MarthasVineyard · 19/08/2014 14:11

OP - listen to me for I am wise Wink

Your dad wants to see you and you want to see your dad. Understandably you want DH there too. You can't afford to take your SDC to San Francisco so they can't come. You are not leaving them home alone with only a loaf of bread and some tap water - they'll be looked after by their mum. They are lucky enough to have a foreign holiday every blinkin' year so they are not being hard done by if they can't go to America. If their Dad had to go abroad to work for two weeks then no-one would make a fuss so I don't see how they can object to the two of you visiting your dad.

If you SDC whinge just tell them that life is unfair - I tell my DD this regularly.

If you really can't bring yourself to go then please ask your lovely dad to use his air miles on tickets for DH and me - we would jump at the chance to stay with him and his wife in San Francisco and leave DD at home with grandparents or a loaf of bread and tap water I can be packed in an hour Grin

ChickenFajitaAndNachos · 19/08/2014 14:21

I think it's fine, the DC are getting a 2 week holiday abroad every year and OP is getting to see her DF.

diddl · 19/08/2014 14:26

"If their Dad had to go abroad to work for two weeks then no-one would make a fuss "

No, but presumably Op wouldn't be going as well!