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to be sick of all the "tell someone" nonsense following RW's death?

314 replies

cailindana · 13/08/2014 08:44

My fb feed is full of trite messages saying "if you're suffering, talk to someone, we care, we will look after you blah blah blah." Bullshit. When I was severely depressed I did tell people - my GP, my parents, my sisters, my friends everyone. For the most part I got indifference, annoyance, "what can I do?" "get over it" "you're worrying mum," etc. It was only because DH is a bloody saint who spent hours and hours with me that I didn't kill myself. If he hadn't been there then I wouldn't be still alive.
I'm sure if I had killed myself, my family would have done the whole "I don't know why she did it, we had no idea," fuckwittery when in fact they would be perfectly aware of why I'd done it, they just wouldn't think it was a good reason and they would blame me for being cowardly.
Equally everyone else I know who is/was severely depressed is pretty open about it, in fact, I find that depressed people mention their condition quite a lot. The response is generally fear, a sense of not knowing what to say or how to respond, indifference or even disgust.

IME people who are in the depths of depression don't tell others because they have already told them in the past and got nowhere. Implying that if you are in that state all you need to do is "reach out" and someone will be there and everything will get better it totally inaccurate, very few people I know have had that experience. Even the very good kind close friends I had when I had PND last year essentially ignored the illness. They were helpful, very very helpful on a practical level (visiting, sorting out the kids etc) but they never asked me how I was or how the medication was working, I always had to bring it up and then they would just nod and mutter something encouraging. I don't blame them at all for that and I am extremely grateful for the ways in which they did help. It was actually on MN that I got the best support. Here, I met people who had gone through the same thing, who acknowledged my awful thoughts and feelings without trying to change my mind (the whole, "Oh it's not that bad!" that only makes depression sufferers feel they must be mental if no one else can see what they see) and gave me reassurance that yes it was shit but it would pass. They were here whenever I needed them, unlike RL friends who are understandably busy with their own lives.

Depression is a complex illness that requires specialist help. Talking does help, definitely, but a depressed person can't save or cure themselves by just being more open and talking more. Having someone listen is a welcome temporary relief but it doesn't treat the illness any more than talking to a cancer patient would treat their illness.

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raltheraffe · 10/11/2014 19:51

No, all I said was they get paid and do not do it out the goodness of their hearts. That is correct.
I have not been dismissive and condescending at all, nor have I got "all uptight" about anything. You seem to perceive that I am in some way insulting you when I am not.

PrettyPictures92 · 10/11/2014 19:59

Perceiving has nothing to do with it raltheraffe, I find your posts to have been dismissive and condesending. Whether you meant to be or not is a different matter. If you had felt the need to comment saying that it was nice a doctor showed a decent attitude towards mental health would have been a better comment. But in the interest of preventing arguments I'll not be coming back to this thread.

vindscreenviper · 10/11/2014 20:04

Thank you for sharing your story PrettyPictures Thanks.

ral why don't you go and set off some big fireworks in your back garden, do something you enjoy rather than lashing out at strangers on the internet.

raltheraffe · 10/11/2014 20:26

I have not lashed out at anyone, as I have already clarified. Thank you for your suggestions of how I could rather be spending my time they are duly noted.

ssd · 10/11/2014 20:27

I dont think ral is lashing out at all, I think he/she is telling us what some health professionals do think behind closed doors, which makes sense of some of the posts about gp's telling people with depression to go for a walk etc, I dont think she being dismissive of the decent gp prettypicture saw at all.

raltheraffe · 10/11/2014 21:04

I was not dismissive of anyone. I am just very cynical when it comes to doctors having trained at medical school and then had to work with them. There are some doctors who genuinely care, I have met some wonderful people through medicine. However the reality is these are the minority, most are in it for the money. When I got fully exonerated in my employment tribunal I had a path back to continuing practicing medicine if I wanted it. The fact is I didn't and this was mainly down to the poor attitudes I faced as a doctor with MH issues. My sister is one of the most extreme examples, but the number of times I heard doctors discussing the nutjob in bed 3 or the personality disorder in bed 5 was quite staggering and appalling.

Hedger · 10/11/2014 21:04

I completely agree with you OP. I was just shocked at the lack of caring I experienced when I had depression. I just wanted someone to talk to but when I tried most "friends" just couldn't get away fast enough - like they just didn't want to see my anguish.

It rather made me lose faith in mankind actually, if that doesn't sound too dramatic. I guess at least it makes you realise who you're real friends are...

LapsedTwentysomething · 10/11/2014 21:07

It rather made me lose faith in mankind actually, if that doesn't sound too dramatic. I guess at least it makes you realise who you're real friends are...

Absolutely. I deleted the majority of my FB friends during a depressive low and - FB or not - it was an act of clarity.

raltheraffe · 10/11/2014 21:11

I have a FB cull every few months, it is good for the soul.

BigSister1989 · 11/11/2014 12:39

I have had mental health problems for quite a long time now.

I understand how hard it is when all I can talk about is what a failure I am and how black things seem - trust me, it's even harder for me. I understand that when I've been scrubbing my hands for twenty minutes despite the fact that they are bleeding, you have no idea what to say and that sometimes, in desperation, empty platitudes or well-meaning but unfortunately bad advice is all that you can think of.

I have a friend who listens to me. She finds it uncomfortable (you can tell that by her face) and doesn't know what to say in return. But she lets me talk. She knows that sometimes I need to. She doesn't offer advice or brush it off, but she listens. For the first time, I feel as if I have permission to express my suffering. For once, talking about it does seem to help.

PrettyPictures92 · 12/11/2014 16:51

Flowers for you BigSister It's always ok to express how you feel

itsaknockout · 12/11/2014 17:18

The Op makes no sense .She says the advice to talk to someone is bullshit. Yet it was talking to someone , her DH, that saved her!

DuchessofNorks · 12/11/2014 17:47

Yep, totally agree OP. Hypocritical bullshit being spewed by people who HAVE been told, but decide to turn a blind eye to it until its too late.

My personal favourite is being told that it was all a big cry for help when I tried to top myself. No, ex friend, I'd already cried for your help when I text you admitting defeat and you begun phasing out our friendship because of it. Now that it's in the news you are suddenly a MH advocate?? Hmm

Thanks to everyone on here who is in a similar position. Its actually quite shit.

Minerves · 13/11/2014 01:02

when i had depression i directly asked many people for help to be told only 'no' in a variety of ways

people stop asking because asking is hard but its harder to hear all the nos.

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