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Breastfeeding on Cross Country trains - a horrid experiance

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Paulala · 07/08/2014 23:11

Hello ladies, I'm a first time poster & a first time mum so apologies if I introduce myself by way of a horrid experience but I'd like to know if you think I'm being unreasonable.

I've just taken my first train journey with my 7 month old boy, we were travelling alone to Derby with everything we needed for a week on a Cross Country train. Everything was going ok until we returned to our seat from a nappy change. The nappy change itself was quite upsetting for him, being strapped to a table in a moving urine soaked metal cubical isn't very pleasant, but I hadn't expected a lot from the facilities.

I intended to give him a breastfeed at our seat but when we got there the seat beside us was occupied (we were in a set on 2 seats not a table of 4). I asked the man sitting in the seat if it would be possible for him to move to one of the single vacant seats 3 rows up just while I breastfed so I could have a little bit of privacy. He said No & stated that was the seat he was allocated why should he move.

I asked him again saying my baby needed to be fed, he was hungry & distressed & there were empty seats in view he could use. He said I should move there instead, this really wouldn't have helped as they were single aisle seats & would have meant I'd have to feed even more publicly. I was so upset I asked him if he expected me to breastfeed in the seat beside him with him watching & he just shrugged his shoulders.

At this point everyone close by was aware of the situation & I'm still standing in the aisle with an upset baby, this man hasn't even got up to allow us to sit down. The ticket inspector then arrives & I explain to him that the man in the seat beside us is causing a lot of distress with his insistence on sitting there while I breastfed. Anyone who's traveled by train will know neighbouring seats offer no prospect of personal space.

I fully understand his right to the seat he booked but both he & I could see other seats he could have taken until I stopped feeding then he could have returned to the seat he booked when we finished. I'm sure many men would have been totally ok with doing that. Instead he was nasty & snarly & the thought of him watching me feed my baby in such a tight space was horrible. I had no option but to ask the ticket inspector to help me find another seat & to help me move all my things, we would also need the assistant at Derby station to be made aware we'd be on another carriage. All because this man would not move 3 rows up.

Still seating stubbornly in his seat the man recognised how upset he'd made me & stated loudly to everyone, right I'll move & asked the guard what he was going to do about it. The guard then said we'll sit you in first class sir don't worry about it you will be ok there. I couldn't believe it he'd made me suffer through a very public request to breastfeed privately (or as private as I could be) he'd initially insisted he would not move while I did so & left me feeling like I shouldn't be breastfeeding on a train, all while I stood with a distressed baby in a moving carriage while everyone watched. When the man eventually moved I sat & fed my baby & cried it was the worst breastfeeding experience I've ever had.

I have to travel back next week with the same train company & I'm dreading it, I can't express milk & I'm really worried something similar will happen again. I think trains should have a breastfeeding policy which recognises a womans need for privacy and a bit of respect. Not a system where men are rewarded for making women feel bad about the need to feed their babies. Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Cheers ladies,
Paula

OP posts:
HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 20:17

Well, no actually it isn't. I take it you read the post?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/08/2014 20:19

Have just seen owl's post calling the man a 'tosser' now. What the hell is wrong with some posters? Are they completely deficient in comprehension bearing in mind the unfair name-calling that has been the subject of complaint throughout the thread. Hmm

MNHQ should pull this thread, it's absolutely disgraceful.

EarthWindFire · 12/08/2014 20:21

Hysterical hyperbole

So I take it it's ok with you for someone who didn't want to move to be called a pervert and a mysogenist then as the OP did in one of their posts. Wow.

EarthWindFire · 12/08/2014 20:24

Don't think I've ever been called a hysterical hyperpole for stating what someone has actually written - that's a first.

Greengrow · 12/08/2014 20:24

The thread shows how much this poor man has had to put up with. No way should he have been asked to move seats. I still; don't understand why someone could not breastfeed on one seat - aisle or window. I could easily do it even with my one year old when they were that age and feeding. Is it a massive child? I cannot understand the logistics of this.

It sounds like typical stroppy entitled mother who needs to be taken down a peg or two to me.

Good for the man for standing up for himself.

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 12/08/2014 20:25

How do you know he wasn't doing those things? Why are you automatically sticking up for a man you don't know.

If a friend of yours came over to you and told you that a bloke was staring at her breasts and making her feel uncomfortable and she felt upset, would you believe her?

Why is it so hard to accept this man was doing it to the op ? Is it because she dared ask for she to give u his seat fir a few mins? Such a lot of women on women hate on this site. It's really sad.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/08/2014 20:27

Like a shark smelling blood in the water, eh, in like a flash as soon as there's a sniff of a ruck? Just like the ex's cot thread...

motherinferior · 12/08/2014 20:27

Sorry, who's the new mum? OP's baby is seven months old!

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 12/08/2014 20:27

Poor man!? She said he was staring at her breasts or don't you believe her?

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 20:27

Well we can only go on the posts the OP made. Hence the bad reaction.

Why do you think people should have to give up a seat for you to have two seats? That's ridiculous.

BoneyBackJefferson · 12/08/2014 20:32

Round, like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever-spinning reel
etc.

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 12/08/2014 20:32

lying was that aimed at me? I can only guess it's because I have my own opinion and don't run with the crowd??... baying mob

She just asked for a bit of privacy. She didn't want to keep both seats.

I can not understand the amount of vitriol on this site.

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 20:33

Grin Boney.

EarthWindFire · 12/08/2014 20:41

Such a lot of women on women hate on this site. It's really sad.

Rubbish. So women can't disagree with women now - ridiculous. We are all supposed to agree no matter what.

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 20:42

If someone does something rude and most people agree you become a baying mob.

Thinking a woman was rude and you are a woman hater.

Got it.

EarthWindFire · 12/08/2014 20:42

I'm bowing out now. Boney has summed it up Grin

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 12/08/2014 20:48

earth of course people can disagree with each other. That's nature of the site. It's when it turns in a baying mob and the keyboard warriors come out.

harold saying someone is rude, out of order or that you don't agree with is what AIBU is about. Laughing, sneering, belittling ops isn't on.

I'm leaving this thread as you've scared op off and apparently I now have a stalker!! Grin I'm quite pleased about that!!

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 20:49

You have a stalker? Shock

What's going on?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/08/2014 20:49

Perhaps, Softly, if the cap fits? You certainly do run with the crowd but perhaps you're a bit unsure this time as it's a 50:50 split roughly?

I'm bowing out too, gone off buns and everything's already been said hundreds of posts ago and this thread will just fill up with more man-hating drivel.

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 20:50

Peace all.

WineBrewThanks

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/08/2014 20:51

You'd be the very last person I'd stalk... it's the unmissable tripe, it leapt out at me. Grin

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 20:51

I've never had a stalker. Sad

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 12/08/2014 20:53

lying how bizzare! What on earth are you talking about? Have you been sniffing glue? Or is it I've disagreed with you on another thread. Ha ha.Grin

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/08/2014 20:53

... How YOU doing? WinkGrin

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 20:54

You said that in a Joey voice didn't you.

Grin