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Breastfeeding on Cross Country trains - a horrid experiance

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Paulala · 07/08/2014 23:11

Hello ladies, I'm a first time poster & a first time mum so apologies if I introduce myself by way of a horrid experience but I'd like to know if you think I'm being unreasonable.

I've just taken my first train journey with my 7 month old boy, we were travelling alone to Derby with everything we needed for a week on a Cross Country train. Everything was going ok until we returned to our seat from a nappy change. The nappy change itself was quite upsetting for him, being strapped to a table in a moving urine soaked metal cubical isn't very pleasant, but I hadn't expected a lot from the facilities.

I intended to give him a breastfeed at our seat but when we got there the seat beside us was occupied (we were in a set on 2 seats not a table of 4). I asked the man sitting in the seat if it would be possible for him to move to one of the single vacant seats 3 rows up just while I breastfed so I could have a little bit of privacy. He said No & stated that was the seat he was allocated why should he move.

I asked him again saying my baby needed to be fed, he was hungry & distressed & there were empty seats in view he could use. He said I should move there instead, this really wouldn't have helped as they were single aisle seats & would have meant I'd have to feed even more publicly. I was so upset I asked him if he expected me to breastfeed in the seat beside him with him watching & he just shrugged his shoulders.

At this point everyone close by was aware of the situation & I'm still standing in the aisle with an upset baby, this man hasn't even got up to allow us to sit down. The ticket inspector then arrives & I explain to him that the man in the seat beside us is causing a lot of distress with his insistence on sitting there while I breastfed. Anyone who's traveled by train will know neighbouring seats offer no prospect of personal space.

I fully understand his right to the seat he booked but both he & I could see other seats he could have taken until I stopped feeding then he could have returned to the seat he booked when we finished. I'm sure many men would have been totally ok with doing that. Instead he was nasty & snarly & the thought of him watching me feed my baby in such a tight space was horrible. I had no option but to ask the ticket inspector to help me find another seat & to help me move all my things, we would also need the assistant at Derby station to be made aware we'd be on another carriage. All because this man would not move 3 rows up.

Still seating stubbornly in his seat the man recognised how upset he'd made me & stated loudly to everyone, right I'll move & asked the guard what he was going to do about it. The guard then said we'll sit you in first class sir don't worry about it you will be ok there. I couldn't believe it he'd made me suffer through a very public request to breastfeed privately (or as private as I could be) he'd initially insisted he would not move while I did so & left me feeling like I shouldn't be breastfeeding on a train, all while I stood with a distressed baby in a moving carriage while everyone watched. When the man eventually moved I sat & fed my baby & cried it was the worst breastfeeding experience I've ever had.

I have to travel back next week with the same train company & I'm dreading it, I can't express milk & I'm really worried something similar will happen again. I think trains should have a breastfeeding policy which recognises a womans need for privacy and a bit of respect. Not a system where men are rewarded for making women feel bad about the need to feed their babies. Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Cheers ladies,
Paula

OP posts:
LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/08/2014 20:58

... Oh well spotted, I did, Harold... and I'll share my food with you too? Was that Joey as well? Grin

PhaedraIsMyName · 12/08/2014 21:00

She just asked for a bit of privacy. She didn't want to keep both seats

You don't know that.

And there was no reason to think he would leer and ogle. The OP never even started to feed. She started ranting at him simply because he wouldn't give up his seat. The vitriol was started by the OP.

plinth · 12/08/2014 21:02

Damn you RL, how did I miss this? Hmm

ithoughtofitfirst · 12/08/2014 21:05

I feel bad for calling him a dweeb now

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 21:18

Run plinth run. Don't start reading this!

ilovesooty · 12/08/2014 21:20

I'm sure if he really was leering at her breasts she'd have said that in her first post. And no one on the entire thread has slagged her off for criticising the toilet facilities.

So it's ok to say the man's a pervert with no evidence but the OP's statement offered as an embellishment partway through the thread? It was ok for her to embarrass him by accusing him of intending to stare at her even before she began to feed? That man is probably someone's partner, someone's husband, someone's dad.

TheFillyjonk · 12/08/2014 21:21

It is a truth universally acknowledged that whenever an OP uses the word "horrid", she is always being entitled and utterly unreasonable. Grin

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/08/2014 21:21

You said that in a Jenny from 'Forest Gump' voice, didn't you Harold?

Yes Plinth, whatever good fortune prevented you from stumbling onto this thread, see if you can catch up with it again... Grin

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/08/2014 21:23

I remembered that I flounced about ten minutes ago but my bra strop got caught in the door and now I can't leave... Blush

ilovesooty · 12/08/2014 21:26

Bra strop? Grin

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/08/2014 21:32

If only I could type... Shock

I did once manage to get caught be the sleeve in a door handle. My sleeve was robust and the door handle was having none of it so I ended up yanked back, lost my footing and fell on my bum... hard. Witnessed of course...Blush

Serves me right.... Grin

Notso · 12/08/2014 21:32

Well we can only go on the posts the OP made.

This is exactly what people are not doing though. This man has been made into a hero who has had a terrible day, his wife may have died, he is humiliated and embarrassed and a poor bloke.
The OP hasn't posted any of that.

From reading the OP, the man was nasty, snarly, didn't let OP sit in her booked seat despite her and her baby being upset.
When he is being accused of being weird/pervy whatever else is being inferred by that comment when asked if he is going to sit and watch, he shrugs. If someone accused me of that I wouldn't just shrug, I would say of course I'm not going to watch, I'll read my paper, go to sleep etc, if I had had a bad day I might get cross and be outraged.

I fail to see how anyone can go on the OP's first post and get that this was a poor but lovely man who has had a terrible ordeal.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 12/08/2014 21:40

This is exactly what people are not doing though. This man has been made into a hero who has had a terrible day, his wife may have died, he is humiliated and embarrassed and a poor bloke

^ This.

When he is being accused of being weird/pervy whatever else is being inferred by that comment when asked if he is going to sit and watch, he shrugs. If someone accused me of that I wouldn't just shrug, I would say of course I'm not going to watch, I'll read my paper, go to sleep etc, if I had had a bad day I might get cross and be outraged

And This ^

It does not seem anyone has given op the benefit of the doubt for one moment that this man could of in fact not been very nice and she thought, without going into expansive detail above and beyond his attitude when asked to move...

But this happens many times on MN the op will say some one is this that and the other and its totally ignored while masses go on to defend to the death the invisible anonymous person.

ilovesooty · 12/08/2014 21:41

You might not have just shrugged. He might well have been taken aback and embarrassed. And she started the palaver pressuring him to move seats before (or without, seemingly) making any attempt to sit in her allocated seat. She also made certain everyone around became aware of the situation. She could have taken her seat and asked him quietly if he would move
She didn't.

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 21:45

Meh. He only turned into a perve when no one agreed with asking in to move.

The guard was there and he moved him to first class.

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 21:45

Grin At flounce with sleeve in door.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 12/08/2014 21:46

Maybe she didnt feel she had to go into details and that we would take her word that he wasnt very nice.

ilovesooty · 12/08/2014 21:48

Yes perhaps she did. And some of us felt her behaviour by her own account in her OP was a sight worse than his.

Delphiniumsblue · 12/08/2014 21:50

All that has come out of the thread is that if you want privacy to breast feed on a train it is a matter of how crowded the train is and sheer luck.
If you go assuming the worst, you might get a pleasant surprise. If you go assuming you won't have anyone next to you, then you are more or less doomed to disappointment!

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 21:52

Well I wouldn't assume someone who was a little short was also a perve to be honest.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 12/08/2014 21:53

She asked a favour of him with a crying baby in her arms and he said no.

Delphiniumsblue · 12/08/2014 21:55

Which he was entitled to do, knittedJimmyChoos.

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 21:56

Like the innkeeper turning away the baby Jesus, the scoundrel.

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 21:57

I don't think she mentioned the baby was "crying in her arms" as he said no but it's a nice touch!

ilovesooty · 12/08/2014 21:58

So why didn't she get into her seat and ask him quietly? Was it necessary to stand in the aisle and make a scene? He was entitled to refuse but she certainly did her best to pressure him into it.