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Breastfeeding on Cross Country trains - a horrid experiance

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Paulala · 07/08/2014 23:11

Hello ladies, I'm a first time poster & a first time mum so apologies if I introduce myself by way of a horrid experience but I'd like to know if you think I'm being unreasonable.

I've just taken my first train journey with my 7 month old boy, we were travelling alone to Derby with everything we needed for a week on a Cross Country train. Everything was going ok until we returned to our seat from a nappy change. The nappy change itself was quite upsetting for him, being strapped to a table in a moving urine soaked metal cubical isn't very pleasant, but I hadn't expected a lot from the facilities.

I intended to give him a breastfeed at our seat but when we got there the seat beside us was occupied (we were in a set on 2 seats not a table of 4). I asked the man sitting in the seat if it would be possible for him to move to one of the single vacant seats 3 rows up just while I breastfed so I could have a little bit of privacy. He said No & stated that was the seat he was allocated why should he move.

I asked him again saying my baby needed to be fed, he was hungry & distressed & there were empty seats in view he could use. He said I should move there instead, this really wouldn't have helped as they were single aisle seats & would have meant I'd have to feed even more publicly. I was so upset I asked him if he expected me to breastfeed in the seat beside him with him watching & he just shrugged his shoulders.

At this point everyone close by was aware of the situation & I'm still standing in the aisle with an upset baby, this man hasn't even got up to allow us to sit down. The ticket inspector then arrives & I explain to him that the man in the seat beside us is causing a lot of distress with his insistence on sitting there while I breastfed. Anyone who's traveled by train will know neighbouring seats offer no prospect of personal space.

I fully understand his right to the seat he booked but both he & I could see other seats he could have taken until I stopped feeding then he could have returned to the seat he booked when we finished. I'm sure many men would have been totally ok with doing that. Instead he was nasty & snarly & the thought of him watching me feed my baby in such a tight space was horrible. I had no option but to ask the ticket inspector to help me find another seat & to help me move all my things, we would also need the assistant at Derby station to be made aware we'd be on another carriage. All because this man would not move 3 rows up.

Still seating stubbornly in his seat the man recognised how upset he'd made me & stated loudly to everyone, right I'll move & asked the guard what he was going to do about it. The guard then said we'll sit you in first class sir don't worry about it you will be ok there. I couldn't believe it he'd made me suffer through a very public request to breastfeed privately (or as private as I could be) he'd initially insisted he would not move while I did so & left me feeling like I shouldn't be breastfeeding on a train, all while I stood with a distressed baby in a moving carriage while everyone watched. When the man eventually moved I sat & fed my baby & cried it was the worst breastfeeding experience I've ever had.

I have to travel back next week with the same train company & I'm dreading it, I can't express milk & I'm really worried something similar will happen again. I think trains should have a breastfeeding policy which recognises a womans need for privacy and a bit of respect. Not a system where men are rewarded for making women feel bad about the need to feed their babies. Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Cheers ladies,
Paula

OP posts:
Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/08/2014 17:52

so the man is now a tosser as well as a Pervert and a mysogynist

Wow just wow.

Horrid nasty bullying thread. I hope mumsnet pulls it I really do.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/08/2014 17:56

Last post here.

I am struggling to see myself going up to a complete stranger and asking them to move away from me because I want to carry out an activity.

It's really really bizarre. Who would think that was acceptable?

steff13 · 12/08/2014 18:02

I suspect she made it because she felt him to be leery.

Whereas I suspect it was an embellishment on the OP's part to try to make her actions seem more reasonable.

ilovesooty · 12/08/2014 18:03

If MNHQ pull the thread I still would like to know why they seem to think it's ok for the OP to call the man a pervert. Since they haven't responded to my email or reappeared on this thread despite being asked to by another poster who was concerned I'm not holding my breath.

As far as I can see these sort of allegations can be condoned if the subject of them is male. That's an insult to all decent men and the women who form relationships with them and give birth to and raise them.

PhaedraIsMyName · 12/08/2014 18:08

I thought the suggestion earlier of buying a family rail ticket was good, and presumably you can book a double seat

Of course you can.

monsterowl · 12/08/2014 18:12

The negativity was mostly after the vile comments that the OP made about the man. Apparently that is ok.

Well, I haven't read the whole thread, but I didn't see any 'vile' comments in the OP. The guy had the right to stay in his seat (as OP acknowledged), but the kind, human, generous thing to do when confronted with a mother struggling with a distressed baby in cramped surroundings would be to move for 10 minutes, especially as doing so would not have caused him any trouble.

you find the train guard and ask him/her to show you to an area where you can breastfeed.

Where? The loo? Discretely behind the driver? Hiding behind the counter in the buffet car?

The train has facilities for being able to change a baby's nappy: OP has already told us that. So, the train company acknowledges and accommodates the fact that babies poo. Purely for consistency, then, it ought to accommodate the fact that babies feed. Presumably there is not a designated area, but the guard could help OP make use of what facilities already exist, e.g. by showing her to an unoccupied double seat, or by letting her sit in first class (where the seats are at least bigger) while she feeds her baby.

There are seats on buses with notices next to them saying that you should give them up if someone elderly or immobile needs to use them. They could have something similar in the first class carriage: a seat that is non-reservable, next to a notice asking the occupant to vacate for a nursing mother. If there is no nursing mother, then nobody needs to move. But, really, there is no getting away from the fact that babies need to feed, and the typical 7-month-old is too big to be able to breastfeed on a standard train seat, so some arrangements should be in place.

monsterowl · 12/08/2014 18:22

Oh, right - I've seen now where the OP called the guy a pervert.

TBH though it seems like she is really upset about the incident and then doubly upset to have the thread turn a bit nasty (which it did even before she made that remark). From what I've read, I don't think the guy was a pervert, although I do think he was a boor (if you'll excuse the outdated expression which is perfect here!). I bet the OP doesn't really think he's a pervert either.

This is the sort of nasty MN thread that I really dislike. Everything turns a bit lynch-mob.

monsterowl · 12/08/2014 18:23

I thought the suggestion earlier of buying a family rail ticket was good, and presumably you can book a double seat

Sorry, but the suggestion that nursing mothers should have to pay double for their train travel (which is what this amounts to) is ridiculous.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/08/2014 18:24

monsterowl the comments weren't in the op but made subsequently, bangs head on table!

7 month old babies can and are fed all over the world on one seat. Get out more

again ilovesooty absolutely.

5madthings · 12/08/2014 18:25

monster with a family wildcard your tickets cost less! And she gets a seat for baby.

SeagullsAndSand · 12/08/2014 18:25

Vacate for a bfing mother- entitled much!Shock

Jesus there are mothers around the world in poverty and war zones who just get on with it and don't need 2 pre booked seats to breast feed in.

So basically nobody will be able to book anymore in your ideal world.The elderly,the working,the disabled,the nervous traveller,the traveller with loads of luggage they want to be near.......

all because a few precious mothers find it hard to do something that gazillions of mothers do and have done for eons all round the world ie bf on public transport with zero fuss,oh and a medal.

5madthings · 12/08/2014 18:26

But ultimately she only needs one seat. When I fed ds1 on the train I went and Sat on the floor in the space between carriages, not ideal but he was a nosey bugger!

Once I had more than one I just used family railways and booked Sears fir us all.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/08/2014 18:27

Agree with you on the lynch mob. Poor bloody bloke. I hope he wasn't badly upset. My dss would have been mortified at her.

5madthings · 12/08/2014 18:27

Railcard why is autocorrect changing it?!!

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 18:30

They should just book one seat and if for any reason the seat isn't suitable ask the guard for a suggestion maybe rather than go about telling people to move?

It's like being on a plane. If you want extra room you book two seats, if you only pay for one, you can't expect to get two.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/08/2014 18:31

If lynch mob you mean yes you were unreasonable then that's the point of. the site.

Don't post if you don't want opinions.

And yes actually people do get very upset at sexist/racist/disabilist comments on here. Good job too.

ICanSeeTheSun · 12/08/2014 18:45

How about a breastfeeding apron,

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/08/2014 18:50

After feeding 4 I need the apron not the cape! Grin

merrymouse · 12/08/2014 18:52

The suggestion is to buy a family rail card which means that the child seat is very cheap.

I think it is in the train's interests to encourage people to change their baby's nappy in the loo. However, most people don't need a double seat to breast feed.

"Presumably there is not a designated area, but the guard could help OP make use of what facilities already exist, e.g. by showing her to an unoccupied double seat, or by letting her sit in first class (where the seats are at least bigger) while she feeds her baby."

Yes, I wouldn't expect the train to have a dedicated breast feeding area, but as others have said it would have been sensible to talk to the guard first.

unlucky83 · 12/08/2014 19:00

monster posted up thread
Single adult return journey I do often £92.50
With a F&F railcard (£30 pa) same journey costs £78.65 for an adult AND a child...so buying a child's ticket even for an under 5 saves you money if you have a railcard...

Delphiniumsblue · 12/08/2014 19:23

Before I travelled with a 4 month baby on a journey that was going to take 5 hours I phoned to ask if they had any arrangements for breast feeding- they didn't. Therefore I realised it was going to be pot luck. I booked a seat - as did others - and then you can't expect them to move. I was sitting opposite a teenage boy but I put a bag on the table and I doubt he noticed.
People get very funny about seats. Last time I travelled there was a woman on her laptop using the seat next to her for all her bags. She did a lot of huffing and puffing when I wanted the seat,but moved them- I don't know what she expected me to do. Stand probably!

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 12/08/2014 19:52

What an absolute rotten thread!

AIBU at it's absolute worst. Nothing like a new mum struggling and all the warrior mothers out in force to tell her how hard they are and how pathetic she is.

It's not about feminism and giving a bad name to women (can even believe I read that) it's about human kindness.

If I was sat next to a woman who was struggling to get past and asked if I could move to a free seat for a short while - I would have done. No skin of my nose.

I struggled to breast feed, dd had a bad latch at first so no I wouldn't want to be shoulder to shoulder with some random bloke while trying to get dd on.

I absolutely would have asked myself.

How man times have you all screeched about refusing to BF In a toilet? Yet someone is slagging her off for her discription of it? Hello?! Public toilets fuckng stink!

Honestly some of you women hid behind feminism when your just plain nasty .

Welcome MN op , breast feeding, prams on public transport, pregnant women daring to ask for a seat on public transport and pregnant women or women with new babies using the disabled toilets are massive flash points on here. I'd steer clear. Lovely bunch of mums arnt we..........

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 19:58

Oh honestly what a load of bollocks.

What the fuck has this even got to do with feminism.

EarthWindFire · 12/08/2014 20:04

Honestly some of you women hid behind feminism when your just plain nasty

It has got nothing to do with feminism.

How can you talk of human kindness with no mention of how vile the OP was about the man.

You say she was a new mum struggling well may the man was struggling with something too - no one knows

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 12/08/2014 20:15

how can you talk of human kindness with no mention of how vile the OP was about the man

Hysterical hyperbole

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