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Breastfeeding on Cross Country trains - a horrid experiance

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Paulala · 07/08/2014 23:11

Hello ladies, I'm a first time poster & a first time mum so apologies if I introduce myself by way of a horrid experience but I'd like to know if you think I'm being unreasonable.

I've just taken my first train journey with my 7 month old boy, we were travelling alone to Derby with everything we needed for a week on a Cross Country train. Everything was going ok until we returned to our seat from a nappy change. The nappy change itself was quite upsetting for him, being strapped to a table in a moving urine soaked metal cubical isn't very pleasant, but I hadn't expected a lot from the facilities.

I intended to give him a breastfeed at our seat but when we got there the seat beside us was occupied (we were in a set on 2 seats not a table of 4). I asked the man sitting in the seat if it would be possible for him to move to one of the single vacant seats 3 rows up just while I breastfed so I could have a little bit of privacy. He said No & stated that was the seat he was allocated why should he move.

I asked him again saying my baby needed to be fed, he was hungry & distressed & there were empty seats in view he could use. He said I should move there instead, this really wouldn't have helped as they were single aisle seats & would have meant I'd have to feed even more publicly. I was so upset I asked him if he expected me to breastfeed in the seat beside him with him watching & he just shrugged his shoulders.

At this point everyone close by was aware of the situation & I'm still standing in the aisle with an upset baby, this man hasn't even got up to allow us to sit down. The ticket inspector then arrives & I explain to him that the man in the seat beside us is causing a lot of distress with his insistence on sitting there while I breastfed. Anyone who's traveled by train will know neighbouring seats offer no prospect of personal space.

I fully understand his right to the seat he booked but both he & I could see other seats he could have taken until I stopped feeding then he could have returned to the seat he booked when we finished. I'm sure many men would have been totally ok with doing that. Instead he was nasty & snarly & the thought of him watching me feed my baby in such a tight space was horrible. I had no option but to ask the ticket inspector to help me find another seat & to help me move all my things, we would also need the assistant at Derby station to be made aware we'd be on another carriage. All because this man would not move 3 rows up.

Still seating stubbornly in his seat the man recognised how upset he'd made me & stated loudly to everyone, right I'll move & asked the guard what he was going to do about it. The guard then said we'll sit you in first class sir don't worry about it you will be ok there. I couldn't believe it he'd made me suffer through a very public request to breastfeed privately (or as private as I could be) he'd initially insisted he would not move while I did so & left me feeling like I shouldn't be breastfeeding on a train, all while I stood with a distressed baby in a moving carriage while everyone watched. When the man eventually moved I sat & fed my baby & cried it was the worst breastfeeding experience I've ever had.

I have to travel back next week with the same train company & I'm dreading it, I can't express milk & I'm really worried something similar will happen again. I think trains should have a breastfeeding policy which recognises a womans need for privacy and a bit of respect. Not a system where men are rewarded for making women feel bad about the need to feed their babies. Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Cheers ladies,
Paula

OP posts:
dexter73 · 08/08/2014 17:28

Tbh if a man moved of his own accord because a woman next to him started breast feeding there would be cries on here that he should grow a pair or man up and not be so squeamish about something as perfectly ordinary as BFing!

Littlemoocow · 08/08/2014 17:32

Yes dexter, which goes to show you just can't win! Maybe he would have been doing it to give her some privacy, or maybe he would have been thinking it was disgusting! People shouldn't be lambasted without knowing the full story.

ilovesooty · 08/08/2014 17:42

So MNHQ has come on here to empathise with pfb moments but hasn't commented on describing the man as perverted. I'm wondering if they thought that was ok.

PiggyontheRailway · 08/08/2014 17:46

Fair point ilovesooty, this man has been branded a pervert and a msogynist because he didn't want to move when th OP demanded it.
I think a lot of us here have got the measure of the OP from her posts.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 17:53

Yes indeed last 2 posts.

Toddler years and school years will be interesting

ilovesooty · 08/08/2014 17:53

Thanks Piggy I agree.

Very disappointing response from MNHQ though in my opinion.

YourKidsYourRulesHunXxx · 08/08/2014 17:58

From OP's last post, I gathered that she believed him to be perverted because he was apparently looking at her breasts whilst talking to her, not because he disagreed with her/ she's getting flamed on here. (He made me stand for the entire 5 min exchange while actually talking or rather grunting at my breasts.)

For the record, OP, if he was genuinely ogling you (a bit odd, given that you were in the throes of an argument) then that is horrible. I don't agree that he 'made you stand' anywhere though. I know it wasn't convenient that you didn't get the peace and quiet you were hoping for, but it was a train, not a shopping centre. For your own good please try and address your nervousness re. breastfeeding in public. It will make your life so much easier.

Marmiteandjamislush · 08/08/2014 18:00

Sorry if I've missed something crucial, but why couldn't you sit on a single seat to feed, if you wanted your privacy so badly? I think you were unreasonable and the man was probably very offended that you asked him to move, as if he was going to ogle you or something. I think you need to remember that there are as many men out there with wives, sisters, mothers, girlfriends, daughters, aunts etc. who do/have breastfed everywhere, I did. If we want it to be mainstream we have to not make an issue. Breast feeding etiquette goes both ways and you behaved just as badly this time I'm afraid.

Marmiteandjamislush · 08/08/2014 18:00

Sorry if I've missed something crucial, but why couldn't you sit on a single seat to feed, if you wanted your privacy so badly? I think you were unreasonable and the man was probably very offended that you asked him to move, as if he was going to ogle you or something. I think you need to remember that there are as many men out there with wives, sisters, mothers, girlfriends, daughters, aunts etc. who do/have breastfed everywhere, I did. If we want it to be mainstream we have to not make an issue. Breast feeding etiquette goes both ways and you behaved just as badly this time I'm afraid.

Marmiteandjamislush · 08/08/2014 18:01

Didn't mean to post twice. Sorry

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 18:11

This thread is mental but still can I just a ask.

I have bf 4 children to toddler years and can guarantee that no one had either seen or ogled my breasts. Once bf is established they just latch and go.

Why wasn't I ogled aye??? Pissed off now. Grin

MyFairyKing · 08/08/2014 18:11

My post didn't break the T&C, I just lolled at the drip feeding. Someone's been on a reporting spree. Wink

kali110 · 08/08/2014 18:16

Aahhh been watching a film must have missed any deemed nasty posts!

I too am disappointed with mnhq making no mention about the poor gentlemen.
The op only said he was ogling her breasts after people weren't agreeing with her

dexter73 · 08/08/2014 18:16

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine - perhaps you needed to make more of a drama about the fact that you were breastfeeding and then all the men would have been aware and had a good gawp!

ilovesooty · 08/08/2014 18:20

Thanks kali
I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling disappointed.

TheBogQueen · 08/08/2014 18:22

I've breastfeed three children

On cross country trains.

If feeling 'exposed' I would sit in another seat

But frankly when I had a newborn, toddler and preschooler to look after on a long train journey I just breastfeed the baby. I couldn't have given a toss what anyone else thought.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 18:23

That's where I went wrong dexter Grin

Mind you after the 4 men now would need to
Ogle my knees. Smile

I am on my last warning with MNHQ so couldn't possibly comment.

Probably no one reported those perverted comments.

Onwards and upwards.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 18:24

Lol not 4 men 4 babies.

Blimey that's a whole other thread I could post if my life was that exciting ha ha.

heraldgerald · 08/08/2014 18:24

What a horrible, depressing thread.

Why do posters have to be so aggressive in pursuit of proving the op is entitled, sexist, precious blah blah blah?

Op was stressed and not coping with the situation. No she wasn't completely reasonable. I've certainly had difficulty travelling on public transport with a little baby and can see how she spiralled.

saintlyjimjams · 08/08/2014 18:25

You're wearing the wrong clothes if you couldn't have breastfed discreetly. Just tuck the baby underneath your top (or get one of those weird modesty neck-chief things if you're that worried). I always used a dangle a cotton blanket if my clothing wasn't optimal (although usually it was baggy enough to hide everything that needed hiding.

Chippednailvarnish · 08/08/2014 18:29

The body I'm dying to know what you have done to get to a final warning [nosey]?

nevereverpost · 08/08/2014 18:29

Have just read your comment MNHQ and fair play to you but surely to goodness in the light of what you say, you should have deleted the OP's second post which was generally unpleasant in the extreme but contained a personal attack on just about everybody who had disagreed with her as well as a libellous comment on the poor guy who had the temerity to sit in his reserved seat.

Consider this a report in plain sight (but I will also report through the normal channels). Her second post should go, if other posts have, otherwise the double standards accusation that has been levelled elsewhere might appear to have some weight behind it.

Love: loads of it!

saintlyjimjams · 08/08/2014 18:33

Is that the quickest ever flounce by the way?

PhaedraIsMyName · 08/08/2014 18:35

I agree with nevereverpost the third post from the OP should be deleted too.

anotherrandomname · 08/08/2014 18:35

You are being unreasonable!
You wanted to inconvenience someone just for a bit of privacy. What if he had told you he had a headache and wanted you to take your crying child away so he could have some peace and quiet for a nap? Sounds harsh but what if?
Next time try just get on with it. Throw a shawl over your shoulder, pop baby under it and let everyone else deal with it. If some perv wants to stare then very publicly ask them not to. They will move. If someone wants to tut and make disapproving noises let them. They may well move as well. Woman up for god sake!