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Breastfeeding on Cross Country trains - a horrid experiance

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Paulala · 07/08/2014 23:11

Hello ladies, I'm a first time poster & a first time mum so apologies if I introduce myself by way of a horrid experience but I'd like to know if you think I'm being unreasonable.

I've just taken my first train journey with my 7 month old boy, we were travelling alone to Derby with everything we needed for a week on a Cross Country train. Everything was going ok until we returned to our seat from a nappy change. The nappy change itself was quite upsetting for him, being strapped to a table in a moving urine soaked metal cubical isn't very pleasant, but I hadn't expected a lot from the facilities.

I intended to give him a breastfeed at our seat but when we got there the seat beside us was occupied (we were in a set on 2 seats not a table of 4). I asked the man sitting in the seat if it would be possible for him to move to one of the single vacant seats 3 rows up just while I breastfed so I could have a little bit of privacy. He said No & stated that was the seat he was allocated why should he move.

I asked him again saying my baby needed to be fed, he was hungry & distressed & there were empty seats in view he could use. He said I should move there instead, this really wouldn't have helped as they were single aisle seats & would have meant I'd have to feed even more publicly. I was so upset I asked him if he expected me to breastfeed in the seat beside him with him watching & he just shrugged his shoulders.

At this point everyone close by was aware of the situation & I'm still standing in the aisle with an upset baby, this man hasn't even got up to allow us to sit down. The ticket inspector then arrives & I explain to him that the man in the seat beside us is causing a lot of distress with his insistence on sitting there while I breastfed. Anyone who's traveled by train will know neighbouring seats offer no prospect of personal space.

I fully understand his right to the seat he booked but both he & I could see other seats he could have taken until I stopped feeding then he could have returned to the seat he booked when we finished. I'm sure many men would have been totally ok with doing that. Instead he was nasty & snarly & the thought of him watching me feed my baby in such a tight space was horrible. I had no option but to ask the ticket inspector to help me find another seat & to help me move all my things, we would also need the assistant at Derby station to be made aware we'd be on another carriage. All because this man would not move 3 rows up.

Still seating stubbornly in his seat the man recognised how upset he'd made me & stated loudly to everyone, right I'll move & asked the guard what he was going to do about it. The guard then said we'll sit you in first class sir don't worry about it you will be ok there. I couldn't believe it he'd made me suffer through a very public request to breastfeed privately (or as private as I could be) he'd initially insisted he would not move while I did so & left me feeling like I shouldn't be breastfeeding on a train, all while I stood with a distressed baby in a moving carriage while everyone watched. When the man eventually moved I sat & fed my baby & cried it was the worst breastfeeding experience I've ever had.

I have to travel back next week with the same train company & I'm dreading it, I can't express milk & I'm really worried something similar will happen again. I think trains should have a breastfeeding policy which recognises a womans need for privacy and a bit of respect. Not a system where men are rewarded for making women feel bad about the need to feed their babies. Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Cheers ladies,
Paula

OP posts:
nevereverpost · 08/08/2014 18:41

Blush Phaedra

I meant the third...her second was okay really!

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 18:42

chipped too many deletions mate. Grin

They add up and after a warning you get banned for a short time and then if happens too many times you get banned completely.

Not bitching as it's the rules.

And yes I agree the ops response and allegations should be banned too.

Marmiteandjamislush · 08/08/2014 18:43

There are less aggressive ways to make a point Another OP was unreasonable, but no need to have a go like that.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 08/08/2014 18:45

The OP lost all credibility when she referred to the man as a pervert who was leering at her. Incredibly rude.

Some posters are making assumptions that others here wouldn't help anybody else who needed it, assumptions based on nothing other than comments on a rude woman's thread.

I'm quite happy with my ever-helpful conduct... Grin

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 18:48

Yes I agree with that witch the op was very rude, I think far ruder than most posters.

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 08/08/2014 18:53

OP's hissy fit and her response was totally uncalled for, far worse than any post on this thread.

TheBogQueen · 08/08/2014 18:57

You can't libel an anonymous person

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 08/08/2014 19:00

... and the photo went? Nobody said a mean thing about the baby, only that he/she had a famous double.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 08/08/2014 19:01

We can still get our posts to an anonymous person deleted though, BogQueen... Grin

kali110 · 08/08/2014 19:08

Oh yes why has she taken down her baby photo??

Numanoid · 08/08/2014 19:09

OP asked if she was BU - a resounding "yes!" was given - this wasn't the response OP wanted so she flounced off.

The way she acted with the man and then spoke about him on here was appalling. That's the truth. Confused

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 20:22

Not the truth to everyone no Nummoid.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 20:26

Well numanoid in a nutshell. Exactly.

sarahquilt · 08/08/2014 20:45

YABU. The train is a public place. You don't have a right to privacy. Also, as you were the one who was looking for privacy, you were the one who should have moved. The world doesn’t revolve around women who're breastfeeding. Everyone I know who breast feeds has a cape that covers them anyway. Surely that's the norm.

combust22 · 08/08/2014 20:47

"Everyone I know who breast feeds has a cape that covers them anyway. Surely that's the norm."

Disgusting attitude.

While I agree with the first part of your post I certainly disagree with your suggestion that "everyone" has a breastfeeding cape. What the fuck is a breastfeeding cape?

iK8 · 08/08/2014 20:51

Aka the breastfeeding burkha Grin

SauvignonBlanche · 08/08/2014 20:51

Everyone I know who breast feeds has a cape that covers them anyway. Surely that's the norm
Doesn't sound very normal to me, I certainly never possessed such a garment!

unlucky83 · 08/08/2014 20:53

ik8 (and anyone else who wants to travel any distance on a train with babies etc)
The railway staff help OP got I think is what I got 13 yrs ago with DD1 ...called travel assist IIRC. It was a free service.
You have to book your seats and stay in them but a member of staff will help you get on with your luggage and come onto the train, find you and help you get off and also help you with train changes etc.
It is available for anyone who may struggle - so disabled people or older people too - in fact I saw an elderly man on a train journey yesterday being helped and I thought he must have had it.

When I was buying my ticket all those years ago I asked if there was a luggage allowance and that is when they told me about it.
It was fantastic - I only used it the once - never had as much stuff to try and carry again - and found that actually other passengers were incredibly helpful too.

I don't think it is the train companies being purely altruistic - it is obviously better if they can get people on and off trains more quickly -and not good to have babies left on platforms (before I get flamed - pfb DD1 was in sling - I never left her unattended for a second Grin) or trains leaving with people on who were only trying to help 'granny' off....or in fact a confused 'granny' 400 miles away from where they were supposed to have got off ....

iK8 · 08/08/2014 20:55

Ooh thanks. What a marvellous idea!

Notso · 08/08/2014 20:57

Arf at breastfeeding cape, holy Areola Batman.

I have only seen one woman with a breastfeeding cover, it was lime green and I am sure it attracted more attention than if she had just lifted her top up.

combust22 · 08/08/2014 20:58

Any form of breastfeeding cover is the surefire way to advertise the fact that you are breastfeeding.

LokiBear · 08/08/2014 21:01

I had a breastfeeding Cape because I wasn't comfortable with having my boob out whilst breastfeeding. My choice. Imo That is the only way you can ensure your privacy in a public place.
You are completely unreasonable to ask someone else to move because you wanted privacy in a public place. If he'd have objected you feeding then you would have every right to be upset. Yet he didnt, he just didn't want to move from the seat he'd booked and paid for.

LokiBear · 08/08/2014 21:07

Btw I know capes aren't for everyone but they are helpful for the self conscious like me.

LokiBear · 08/08/2014 21:08

Btw I know capes aren't for everyone but they are helpful for the self conscious like me.

LokiBear · 08/08/2014 21:08

Btw I know capes aren't for everyone but they are helpful for the self conscious like me.