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Breastfeeding on Cross Country trains - a horrid experiance

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Paulala · 07/08/2014 23:11

Hello ladies, I'm a first time poster & a first time mum so apologies if I introduce myself by way of a horrid experience but I'd like to know if you think I'm being unreasonable.

I've just taken my first train journey with my 7 month old boy, we were travelling alone to Derby with everything we needed for a week on a Cross Country train. Everything was going ok until we returned to our seat from a nappy change. The nappy change itself was quite upsetting for him, being strapped to a table in a moving urine soaked metal cubical isn't very pleasant, but I hadn't expected a lot from the facilities.

I intended to give him a breastfeed at our seat but when we got there the seat beside us was occupied (we were in a set on 2 seats not a table of 4). I asked the man sitting in the seat if it would be possible for him to move to one of the single vacant seats 3 rows up just while I breastfed so I could have a little bit of privacy. He said No & stated that was the seat he was allocated why should he move.

I asked him again saying my baby needed to be fed, he was hungry & distressed & there were empty seats in view he could use. He said I should move there instead, this really wouldn't have helped as they were single aisle seats & would have meant I'd have to feed even more publicly. I was so upset I asked him if he expected me to breastfeed in the seat beside him with him watching & he just shrugged his shoulders.

At this point everyone close by was aware of the situation & I'm still standing in the aisle with an upset baby, this man hasn't even got up to allow us to sit down. The ticket inspector then arrives & I explain to him that the man in the seat beside us is causing a lot of distress with his insistence on sitting there while I breastfed. Anyone who's traveled by train will know neighbouring seats offer no prospect of personal space.

I fully understand his right to the seat he booked but both he & I could see other seats he could have taken until I stopped feeding then he could have returned to the seat he booked when we finished. I'm sure many men would have been totally ok with doing that. Instead he was nasty & snarly & the thought of him watching me feed my baby in such a tight space was horrible. I had no option but to ask the ticket inspector to help me find another seat & to help me move all my things, we would also need the assistant at Derby station to be made aware we'd be on another carriage. All because this man would not move 3 rows up.

Still seating stubbornly in his seat the man recognised how upset he'd made me & stated loudly to everyone, right I'll move & asked the guard what he was going to do about it. The guard then said we'll sit you in first class sir don't worry about it you will be ok there. I couldn't believe it he'd made me suffer through a very public request to breastfeed privately (or as private as I could be) he'd initially insisted he would not move while I did so & left me feeling like I shouldn't be breastfeeding on a train, all while I stood with a distressed baby in a moving carriage while everyone watched. When the man eventually moved I sat & fed my baby & cried it was the worst breastfeeding experience I've ever had.

I have to travel back next week with the same train company & I'm dreading it, I can't express milk & I'm really worried something similar will happen again. I think trains should have a breastfeeding policy which recognises a womans need for privacy and a bit of respect. Not a system where men are rewarded for making women feel bad about the need to feed their babies. Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Cheers ladies,
Paula

OP posts:
MollyHooper · 08/08/2014 16:13

I would be seriously wondering what sort of man I married

A perverted one, apparently.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 16:13

On the other hand it's not bullying to demand a perfect stranger move out of their seat and when they refuse it's ok to call them a pervert and mysogynistic.

Ooookkkaaayyy.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 16:16

And fwiw my dh would think it was a joke to be honest.

She's bf not giving birth!

Womem are doing it everywhere dear. It's not head line news anymore despite the daily mail feeling it should be.

No one cares and noone knows unless you strip to the waist and get them out.

Absolute drama lamas.

dexter73 · 08/08/2014 16:16

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine - that's not bullying, it's a PFB moment!! Grin

SauvignonBlanche · 08/08/2014 16:18

I'm sure it wouldn't enter my DH's head to move away from a BFing woman.

PiggyontheRailway · 08/08/2014 16:19

Sweetsummerpea if I was a man and my DW came home and told me this I would be wondering what kind of woman I married.

MollyHooper · 08/08/2014 16:22

Same here, unless of course he was accused to trying to watch.

Like some peeping tom who hangs about trains waiting to catch a glimpse of boob.

guitarosauras · 08/08/2014 16:23

Completely OTT!

Poor chap. What makes you more important than him op?

PiggyontheRailway · 08/08/2014 16:25

Having breasts apparently Guitar

amothersplaceisinthewrong · 08/08/2014 16:29

Bloody Hell OP. Are you for real. If you don't want to breastfeed in public you should not go on a train. Get over yourself.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 16:29

dexter exactly.

I want to see a post off the poor bloke and the train guard. Grin

Littlemoocow · 08/08/2014 16:32

I agree that ops last post was over the top, defensive and unreasonable. But I think it likely came from the shock at how this thread has gone. I'm not saying she was being reasonable, maybe she was, maybe she wasn't, I just think the thread is too one sided. Someone suggested on here, that the man may have had autism and that being asked to move may have unsettled him, but no one (although I may have missed it ) has suggested that OP may have pnd or similar. I know how hard things are with a baby, and how things get out of perspective, normal rational women can ( not always, but CAN) get things our of proportion and act out of character. I know I did.

Littlemoocow · 08/08/2014 16:33

So by all means call her unreasonable, but being polite about it goes a long way in my opinion.

Bellwether · 08/08/2014 16:34

You can't just randomly TELL people to go to another seat because you want privacy! O_O

Besides, if he'd been found in the wrong seat, he'd be in trouble and being reshuffled around. He was right. If you want privacy, you be the one that moves. I'd have been pretty peeved if someone was telling me to sod off out of my paid-for seat so they can have privacy. We'd all like more privacy in life.

I breastfed two kids until 2, and I never asked anyone to go away or move. I moved; I went to another room, behind a wall, up the stairs or wherever. Because it's my issue, not theirs.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 16:34

that the man may have had autism and that being asked to move may have unsettled him

I think its becoming rather a joke now, that every default position when someone is rude - is because they are disabled in some way on mn.

its truelly ridiculous and really weakens people trying to stand up for peoples rights with LD in society.

Maybe OP is - maybe op could not understand how precious the mans seat was due to some level of aspergers...

FFS Confused

Littlemoocow · 08/08/2014 16:38

I agree sweet summer

MollyHooper · 08/08/2014 16:38

You're right, it is ridiculous to suggest autism because of rudeness in this situation as the man wasn't rude at all, she was.

almondcakes · 08/08/2014 16:40

It does not weaken people's rights. Quite apart from autism, a great many people have various kinds of social anxiety and would find this situation incredibly difficult.

DS would have found this a very difficult situation, and it is the possibility of situations like this that make him so stressed about travelling on trains alone. He would know that he would either face the annoyance of this woman or face the stress of having to explain to a ticket inspector why he wasn't in his assigned seat if he moved.

Littlemoocow · 08/08/2014 16:42

Fair enough Molly, but no one has suggested that OP is suffering from anything like that. That's my point exactly, no one is really cutting her any slack, as she might be struggling too. Like I said, babies can turn rational women into irrational confused and bewildered women. Not always before people say I am making mothers "vulnerable" but lots of us here really relate to hard and bewildering it is. I lost myself in a big way when I had my first baby and being on the end of a thread like this would have caused me some real mental damage. I'm not saying she was in the right, but I just think we really need to carefully consider how we respond to people here.

MollyHooper · 08/08/2014 16:48

I get what you are saying 100% Littlemoo, honestly I do. I had PND with both my boys and relate totally with you losing yourself.

The thing is, if the OP had came here and posted with at least an ounce of humility I guarantee the responses would have been vastly different.

borisgudanov · 08/08/2014 16:54

You knew you were likely to need to do this so should have discussed it with the TOC in advance. YABQU.

Littlemoocow · 08/08/2014 16:55

I know Molly, she didn't do herself any favours and I reckon she realises this. Thanks for your reply. I am guessing that she will dwell on this thread for a long time, and worry about it. I just hope that she isn't struggling as this may set her back if she is.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 17:03

Mmmm if you post on aibu don't strop if some posters say you are.

And there is absolutely no mention here of PND, autism or any other illness.

For goodness sake.

Littlemoocow · 08/08/2014 17:04

There is, someone said the man may have been autistic

daphnehoneybutt · 08/08/2014 17:12

The OP does sounds very princessy with her description of the loos etc. Had you not been on a train before OP?

If you had said he had complained about you bfeeding, or tried to look in a pervy manner (I only know one person in RL this has happened to), then YANBU to ask him to move - I thought this thread would be about the former scenario.

I have to say my DH would have moved if there was a free seat and if there wasn't one he would have probably still moved away for the duration anyway! As would I, I would see it as a my good deed for the day even if I did privately think the OP was being a bit precious