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AIBU?

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To feel uneasy about a neighbour?

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lbsjob87 · 07/08/2014 13:47

We've been in our house 12 years, and next door on one side is a single guy in his 60s who has lived there all his life.
He is quite lonely - from conversations had over the years we know he was his mother's carer for 20-odd years then when she died 9 years ago he was at a bit of a loose end.
He rarely sees his family -my OH used to work with his niece and she said they are all very busy etc - typical sad lonely pensioner story. She also suggested that he has what would now be classed as a form of Aspergers, and his family find him a bit "weird".
We try to be friendly and keep an eye out for him but he has no concept of personal space. If we say hello, his eyes light up and we end up talking for up to an hour about literally nothing of note - mashed potato or traffic lights, over and over. We have suggested clubs etc, but he isn't interested.
Our back doors are opposite each other (either side of a fence) so if we open ours, he can see it.
without fail, if we go out to put washing out, whatever, he goes into his garden, and starts a conversation. We can't exactly ignore him, so we now wait till we see he has gone to the shop to go out there. So we, perhaps shamefully, try to avoid him.
Our garden used to be lovely but now is a mess because I won't go out there for any time - I feel like I'm being spied on.
But now I'm starting to feel uneasy about him.
Several years ago, our shed was broken into, so we built a 7ft fence between us and him (also to block him out).
He has built a set of steps so he can see over it for a chat.
His neighbour the other side has a high fence too, but we're on a hill so it's lower our side.
Now my DD is 5, she is old enough to play out there alone, as it's enclosed.
But the other day I heard her speaking to someone - he was talking to her over the fence about school and her baby brother.
She happily chats to him, but I feel it was an inappropriate thing to do.
I don't want to out and out accuse him of being a pervert, and DD knows she mustn't speak to strangers but obviously in her eyes he's not.
He can't get to her at all, and there is absolutely no evidence at all that he is anything other than a lonely old man enjoying the chance for a conversation, but AIBU to just not feel right about this?
And what do I do about it?

OP posts:
womblesofwestminster · 08/08/2014 15:09

Think about your best friend, now imagine that's your only friend. You get along great and can talk about anything and everything with her. One day you get papers for harassment because apparently she couldn't stand you. You'd be very hurt and confused and wonder what you did to upset her. Do you see why this is wrong wombles?

You'd stop though, wouldn't you? Job done

AmyMumsnet · 08/08/2014 15:13

Hi everyone, thanks for your reports. How about a bit of peace and love for a Friday afternoon?

As ever please do report posts to us that you think we need to take a look at.

Beautifullymixed · 08/08/2014 15:20

wombles very harsh. Shock

Would you really treat someone like that?!!
And sleep at night.

I would hate to be your friend.

thereturnofshoesy · 08/08/2014 15:21

i would love a bit of peace Amy
peace from threads like this

dawndonnaagain · 08/08/2014 15:40

As for 'gentler' ways of discouraging him, HE DOESN'T GET GENTLE. He doesn't understand it.
And you know this because?

bottlecat · 08/08/2014 15:45

'tbh I'd just phone SS and cite stalking.'

He's not stalking anybody, what a ridiculous suggestion.

ADHDNoodles · 08/08/2014 15:52

You'd stop though, wouldn't you? Job done

Yes, I'd never speak to you again. I'd be hurt and very confused, but I'd get the point.

If you want to completely disregard other's feelings, fine. But don't pretend it doesn't make you a bully.

womblesofwestminster · 08/08/2014 15:57

"Whilst there is no strict legal definition of 'stalking', section 2A (3) of the PHA 1997 sets out examples of acts or omissions which, in particular circumstances, are ones associated with stalking. For example, following a person, watching or spying on them or forcing contact with the victim through any means, including social media.

The effect of such behaviour is to curtail a victim's freedom, leaving them feeling that they constantly have to be careful. In many cases, the conduct might appear innocent ( if it were to be taken in isolation), but when carried out repeatedly so as to amount to a course of conduct, it may then cause significant alarm, harassment or distress to the victim."

CPA: www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/stalking_and_harassment/

bottlecat · 08/08/2014 15:59

Oh come on.

bottlecat · 08/08/2014 16:02

Talking to your neighbour of 12 years over the fence is not stalking.
If it is then neighbour was stalking me yesterday. Best phone SS. Hmm

bottlecat · 08/08/2014 16:02

sorry my neighbour

womblesofwestminster · 08/08/2014 16:07

Building fucking steps to get over a fence; watching a person's every move; trying to contact them all the time = stalking.

WillisGoPhyllis · 08/08/2014 16:10

Wombles I still 'mull over' one of the situations that happened to me. It was 20 odd years ago when I worked in an office. I was (or thought I was) really close to one particular colleague, we socialised outside of work, alone and with our partners, she did my wedding make-up for me, we generally had a good time together. One day she just stopped talking to me. No explanation, just wouldn't speak to me, completely ignored me. Never did speak to me again. I still have absolutely no idea why. Yes, I got the message that she didn't want me in her life, so 'job done' in that respect, but it still hurts and perplexes me 20 years later.

Gruntfuttock · 08/08/2014 16:12

When has he ever 'got over' the fence. He always stays in his own garden doesn't he?

bottlecat · 08/08/2014 16:14

He's 80 years old.
I don't think he's going to be climbing over a 7ft fence anytime soon, with or without steps on his side.

Gruntfuttock · 08/08/2014 16:15

*Willis" exactly the same thing happened to me, only it was about 30 years ago. She went from being really friendly for years, in and out of work, then just wouldn't speak to me at all. I'm still baffled.

bottlecat · 08/08/2014 16:16

Oh sorry just re-read the op - he's in his 60's.
Still can't imagine him wanting to polevault a 7ft fence.

Gruntfuttock · 08/08/2014 16:16

Ooops. bold fail ^ That'll teach me to type without my glasses on.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 16:17

They're also suggesting she learns to deal with him looking over at her constantly! Bloody cheek.

yy and if he is waiting for them to come out,and has purposely built stairs to talk and watch them when they do so..not sure what else you could call it.

we see our neighbours by sheer chance when we are in the garden, I would start to be alarmed if suddenly started to be there every time, if mine saw my door open and came out, and yes I would be very alarmed if mine started to talk over a 7ft fence...

dawndonnaagain · 08/08/2014 16:18

I'm starting to think that wombles may have some issues. Hmm

bottlecat · 08/08/2014 16:19

Yes I don't think wombles is doing the OP any favours here.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 16:20

Building fucking steps to get over a fence; watching a person's every move; trying to contact them all the time = stalking.

bottlecat · 08/08/2014 16:21

Only in your head.

Aeroflotgirl · 08/08/2014 16:24

He's in his 60s so fairly young pensioner. Forget about op, the way this mans family has treated him is shameful, his family think he is weird not op! My gripe is with his family who should be the ones looking out for him and helping him! I feel op has been very good, she has tried to help him and be friendly to him, but his behaviour (going into the garden because op is in hers with the view to try to talk to her,building steps so he can continue talking, as a result op privacy is reduced) is overstepping what is acceptable!

WillisGoPhyllis · 08/08/2014 16:24

Grunt It just completely throws you doesn't it?

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