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AIBU?

To feel uneasy about a neighbour?

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lbsjob87 · 07/08/2014 13:47

We've been in our house 12 years, and next door on one side is a single guy in his 60s who has lived there all his life.
He is quite lonely - from conversations had over the years we know he was his mother's carer for 20-odd years then when she died 9 years ago he was at a bit of a loose end.
He rarely sees his family -my OH used to work with his niece and she said they are all very busy etc - typical sad lonely pensioner story. She also suggested that he has what would now be classed as a form of Aspergers, and his family find him a bit "weird".
We try to be friendly and keep an eye out for him but he has no concept of personal space. If we say hello, his eyes light up and we end up talking for up to an hour about literally nothing of note - mashed potato or traffic lights, over and over. We have suggested clubs etc, but he isn't interested.
Our back doors are opposite each other (either side of a fence) so if we open ours, he can see it.
without fail, if we go out to put washing out, whatever, he goes into his garden, and starts a conversation. We can't exactly ignore him, so we now wait till we see he has gone to the shop to go out there. So we, perhaps shamefully, try to avoid him.
Our garden used to be lovely but now is a mess because I won't go out there for any time - I feel like I'm being spied on.
But now I'm starting to feel uneasy about him.
Several years ago, our shed was broken into, so we built a 7ft fence between us and him (also to block him out).
He has built a set of steps so he can see over it for a chat.
His neighbour the other side has a high fence too, but we're on a hill so it's lower our side.
Now my DD is 5, she is old enough to play out there alone, as it's enclosed.
But the other day I heard her speaking to someone - he was talking to her over the fence about school and her baby brother.
She happily chats to him, but I feel it was an inappropriate thing to do.
I don't want to out and out accuse him of being a pervert, and DD knows she mustn't speak to strangers but obviously in her eyes he's not.
He can't get to her at all, and there is absolutely no evidence at all that he is anything other than a lonely old man enjoying the chance for a conversation, but AIBU to just not feel right about this?
And what do I do about it?

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SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 23:33

you ask aibu and some people say you are

No saying someone is UR is not horrid, its the way they are saying it.

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Gileswithachainsaw · 08/08/2014 23:34

I wish you luck op

I think it gets ridiculous at times on here, when people suggest moving house because god forbid a you don't want to talk to to your neighbours all the time and join in the competitive kindness and have him move in because he's lonely and harmless.

You have been a saint for 12 years, been there when no one else has and I don't blame you for wanting your garden back Thanks

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bottlecat · 08/08/2014 23:34

You think that the poster who has repeatedly labelled your neighbour as being a stalker and who has also posted, 'Lets bear in mind this man has a niece who thinks he has something' has presented a reasoned argument?

That explains a lot.

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EarthWindFire · 08/08/2014 23:34

Those that agree with th OP aren't all being 'nice' either.

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bottlecat · 08/08/2014 23:36

Do you also think that your neighbour is a stalker OP?

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Aeroflotgirl · 08/08/2014 23:36

I totally agree bidding, good post

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Aeroflotgirl · 08/08/2014 23:37

Nodding doh

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thornrose · 08/08/2014 23:39

Some of the people who are vehemently defending you seem more invested in this thread than you are!

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SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 23:39

'Lets bear in mind this man has a niece who thinks he has something' has presented a reasoned argument?

Yes - it seemed odd so many people suddenly gave this man Aspergers and a whole range of SN, when all this was based on, was the above....

Like I said - My DH sister said of the granny - oh she's just an old mad bat -or something...

His niece who couldn't care less about him mentioned something to her dh!

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SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 23:41

Some of the people who are vehemently defending you seem more invested in this thread than you are!

I have certainly been interested in this thread because its thrown up a number of issues I have experience of.

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bottlecat · 08/08/2014 23:42

Can you not see how that phrase is offensive SweetSummerSweetPea?

'He has something'

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thereturnofshoesy · 08/08/2014 23:42

SweetSummerSweetPea the op mentioned it in her op

so that is why people took it on

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bottlecat · 08/08/2014 23:46

I want the OP to tell us whether she agrees that her neighbour is a stalker anyway, seeing as that suggestion comes from a poster who is (according to the OP) capable of a reasoned argument.

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SomethingVicardThisWayComes · 08/08/2014 23:46

hi. its vicar here in disguise. oops. outed myself.
so. not read all 21 pages. first few was enough.
last few too.

one - stalking - the law on stalking was created in order to stop ex partners obsessively stalking their - well - ex;s. not to stop lonely old men with special needs from chatting over the garden fence.
two - my son has AS. today i had a job involving an elderly lady with AS who had been a victim of crime. she was very switched on in some ways and very child like and vulnerable in others.

it made me think about my own son who has AS. i wondered who would look out for him as he gets older....he is 22 and needs me daily still. this lady had a cousin who was keeping an eye out for her....

before i hide this thread i just wanted to say that the legal definition of stalking and harassment are so far removed from elderly special needs neighbour chats to my dd over the fence its laughable....i work in law and seriously. harassment does not fit this at all - the person has to know they are pursuing a course of conduct likely to cause harassment - a course of conduct....not chatting over hte fence. stalking is another issue altogether but also does not remotely fit this scenario.

as a police officer i deal far more with vulnerable adults being the victims of crime than the perpetrators. thats a fact.

and some people just need to find their humanity. and now im hiding this frankly weird and upsetting thread before i say something well deserved but that might get me banned.

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thornrose · 08/08/2014 23:51

The voice of reason, halle-fucking-lujah, Vicar I could kiss you.

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lbsjob87 · 08/08/2014 23:52

I don't think he's a stalker, no.
A good friend of mine was almost murdered by a stalker who also turned up at my parents' house at 2am looking for her. She survived, he went to jail. So I think I know what constitutes stalking.
But then I also don't think picking one comment out of dozens made by one poster constitutes a reasoned argument either, bottlecat, so probably best to agree to disagree.

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dawndonnaagain · 08/08/2014 23:52

Thank you Vicar. Miss you!

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ChoccaDoobie · 08/08/2014 23:54

Good luck op. Sorry you have had a bit of a grilling here. I do not believe for a moment that any of the people criticising you would welcome this intrusion in their own back gardens no matter how much they protest. Neither have they said what they would actually do about it if it did happen.

I think you have already gone above and beyond here, 12 years of befriending and trying to help. Having read all the suggestions I think you might need to be blunt with him and to remind him when he oversteps the boundaries. It must be very difficult, I hope things improve for you all.

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bottlecat · 08/08/2014 23:55

Well I think SSSP has described the op as 'stalking' you several times and I have picked that comment out as you have identified that poster in particular as presenting a reasoned argument.
But yes let's agree to disagree.

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bottlecat · 08/08/2014 23:55

sorry SSSP has described your neighbor

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SomethingVicardThisWayComes · 09/08/2014 00:11

im thinking of namechanging back.....ds got another job. yay!

sons bastard stalkery wankbadger ex employers have a sad life if they are still following me around the internet.....

and thank you. i miss being "me"....

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Beautifullymixed · 09/08/2014 00:12

There's me thinking that the OP would be horrified by some of her supporters- but no, she thanks them!! Shock

And defends one posters barrage of rot.

Repetitive, horrid and insulting views. Jaw dropping rudeness at times......again and again and again. Page after page after page.

Then feels attacked and abused herself. Wow.

People have expressed fears about themselves and dcs future with SN, and others have shared sad experiences - only to be mocked and asked 'What's your point?' Shock

Unbelievable.

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dailygrowl · 09/08/2014 00:13

OP isn't obliged to like or provide charity to her neighbour. If she feels uneasy, she feels uneasy. Some neighbours are nice and you get on well with them. We have had great neighbours (ones who helped us with garden work that they were good at) and we have had neighbours who weren't so nice (one aggressive chap who poured lighter fuel on his property and almost burnt the entire street down). I do find the building of the steps to be able to see into her garden odd - that's overstepping a boundary or very, very close to it. She can't tell him who he is or isn't allowed to talk to. She can only explain to her daughter that not everyone who lives on the same street is necessarily a friend just because they bought a house near yours. Other parents I know do tell their kids "I don't want you talking to X" and explaining why. An under-12 isn't responsible for the social life of a grown man aged 60. She can help him during a time of emergency but she isn't responsible for the fact that there are no family or friends visiting him or that he doesn't go out to make some friends.

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SomethingVicardThisWayComes · 09/08/2014 00:22

dailygrowl


no more than other posters are obliged to like or provide charitable views to the OP of those who think hounding and labelling people with SN is ok.

some posters are nice and you get on well with them....just like neghbours.

and i read it that the neighbour had lived there long before the op. people with AS often have problems with boundaries and knowing when they are invading anothers space or privacy.

maybe the energy expended in this thread could be used to better effect by actually just talking to the neighbour and the op explaining what she finds acceptable and whats not acceptable.
nicely.
instead of bitching on here that he is a "pervert".....

my sons elderley neighbour was his best friend. son was 5 at the time - neighbour was 70. they played dominoes and listened to george formby together, they were just 2 little old men together....son loved him.

common sense needs to be applied liberally here.

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JenniferJo · 09/08/2014 06:58

The OP has been "neighbourly" until now but it has become a strain. I think some people on this thread have been harsh to all parties.

Whatever difficulties the neighbour may or may not have he has overstepped the mark by building steps so he can look into OP's garden. Speculation about his talking to the DC and his motivation in doing so isn't helpful, really. What he's done by building those steps is an invasion of OP's family's privacy.

Perhaps she should speak to him about that and say that it does make them uncomfortable. Maybe he will do the right thing and dismantle the steps.

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