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To feel uneasy about a neighbour?

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lbsjob87 · 07/08/2014 13:47

We've been in our house 12 years, and next door on one side is a single guy in his 60s who has lived there all his life.
He is quite lonely - from conversations had over the years we know he was his mother's carer for 20-odd years then when she died 9 years ago he was at a bit of a loose end.
He rarely sees his family -my OH used to work with his niece and she said they are all very busy etc - typical sad lonely pensioner story. She also suggested that he has what would now be classed as a form of Aspergers, and his family find him a bit "weird".
We try to be friendly and keep an eye out for him but he has no concept of personal space. If we say hello, his eyes light up and we end up talking for up to an hour about literally nothing of note - mashed potato or traffic lights, over and over. We have suggested clubs etc, but he isn't interested.
Our back doors are opposite each other (either side of a fence) so if we open ours, he can see it.
without fail, if we go out to put washing out, whatever, he goes into his garden, and starts a conversation. We can't exactly ignore him, so we now wait till we see he has gone to the shop to go out there. So we, perhaps shamefully, try to avoid him.
Our garden used to be lovely but now is a mess because I won't go out there for any time - I feel like I'm being spied on.
But now I'm starting to feel uneasy about him.
Several years ago, our shed was broken into, so we built a 7ft fence between us and him (also to block him out).
He has built a set of steps so he can see over it for a chat.
His neighbour the other side has a high fence too, but we're on a hill so it's lower our side.
Now my DD is 5, she is old enough to play out there alone, as it's enclosed.
But the other day I heard her speaking to someone - he was talking to her over the fence about school and her baby brother.
She happily chats to him, but I feel it was an inappropriate thing to do.
I don't want to out and out accuse him of being a pervert, and DD knows she mustn't speak to strangers but obviously in her eyes he's not.
He can't get to her at all, and there is absolutely no evidence at all that he is anything other than a lonely old man enjoying the chance for a conversation, but AIBU to just not feel right about this?
And what do I do about it?

OP posts:
MrsWinnibago · 08/08/2014 12:42

Oh really Alice nobody is suggesting that. Hmm

dawndonnaagain · 08/08/2014 12:42

As long as they're not climbing up fences to peer at me in my garden they won't.
Except you won't make any allowances for those with additional needs, so it could be my son twitching and displaying his tics on the bus. My daughter having a panic in a cinema and making a bit of noise...

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:42

Yes, she should embrace her prejudices. Because that's her right

Is her right and her duty to protect her daughter no matter how un fair that seems to anyone else.

earth

I can do what I like thanks, one man has a godly right to his train seat, and this woman has no right to her garden.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 08/08/2014 12:42

Will say again.

Noone is denying her right to enjoy her garden.

People are objecting to her calling him a paedophile.

So the cries of "fuck everyone's rights" are ludicrous.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 08/08/2014 12:43

Anyway..sorry if this is a general PA.

But I am sick of dealing with fucking twats online.

So off to enjoy my day

Pagwatch · 08/08/2014 12:43

Sweet summer.

If the mps thread illustrates anything it is that paedophiles are charming, manipulative, often well connected and powerful .

The irony is that we are all encouraged to enpmbrace our discomfort around people who are awkward and we talk about 'weirdos and loners'and tell ourselves that it's smart to be wary.
By doing that we further isolate the lonely and the awkward.

Meanwhile we happily let our children play at the home of our charming family friend, or let relatives babysit.

We keep perpetuating the idea that we are being cautious but all we are doing is making it easier for the plausible likeable person who actually represents a danger.
It's so upside down.

thornrose · 08/08/2014 12:43

Getting in a lift with an actual stranger in a shopping centre vs a man you've lived next door to for 12 years talking over a 7 ft fence. So similar...

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:44

As long as they're not climbing up fences to peer at me in my garden they won't.
Except you won't make any allowances for those with additional needs,

And someone peers into your garden Dawn and starts to upset your DC who have SN?

I always make allowances for special needs and I have very good reason too, however on a daily basis someone peering into my garden, NO.

Beautifullymixed · 08/08/2014 12:45

Gosh this thread has had my mouth hanging open at times reading it. There has been some really rude replies and lots of anger.

I believe in instinct and also compassion and kindness. Can we not in

Pagwatch · 08/08/2014 12:45

MrsWinninbago

You can refer me to it all you like but I wasn't on it so I don't really know what point you are trying to make.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:45

The irony is that we are all encouraged to enpmbrace our discomfort around people who are awkward and we talk about 'weirdos and loners'and tell ourselves that it's smart to be wary.
By doing that we further isolate the lonely and the awkward

Yes but op has been speaking to this man for ten years.

The whole thread went further than some charming MPs. It encompassed far more than that.

lbsjob87 · 08/08/2014 12:45

Oh, look, I'm back.

This thread has gone totally off on a tangent. Looking back, maybe I didn't make it clear.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT HE WATCHES US CONSTANTLY THEN STRIKES UP CONVERSATIONS WITH MY DAUGHTER.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME UNEASY

It only started at the beginning of the holidays. I am trying to get the garden sorted for the children but am recovering from CS so can only do bits. As I get stronger I will spend longer out there and listen to what is being said. If it appears totally innocent I will put my mind at rest, won't I?

The Asperger's -irrelevant. If you remember I only think he might have it because his own niece who lives nearby said "they" think he has. Since being told that, I've actually given him more leeway and made a point of not ignoring him. She avoids him because SHE THINKS HE'S WEIRD. She said that, not me. SHE'S HIS NIECE.

It could be she's making an excuse to avoid him - there are no other children this end of the road (apart from my baby son) so I can't answer how he is with them and he never has children visit - only VERY occasional visits from his sister. Maybe once every other year.

HE IS PROBABLY 100% INNOCENT. I DON'T KNOW. I'M GOING TO MONITOR THINGS -NOT REALLY WILLING TO LET MY GUARD DOWN JUST YET.

This has turned into a chance to have a good old slagging off session of someone people will never meet - IRL, I think most of you would think differently.

I'm no troll - but I think I may have accidentally fallen into the lair of some.

OP posts:
MrsWinnibago · 08/08/2014 12:46

I also make allowances for SN and I have NEVER excluded or been unkind to anyone who has any sort of SN. I just think that if the OP wants privacy then that's fine. All the "Oh this is soooo sad" posts early on were bloody awful.

EarthWindFire · 08/08/2014 12:46

I can do what I like thanks, one man has a godly right to his train seat, and this woman has no right to her garden.

FFS no he doesn't have god given right to the seat but neither does she have a right to expect him to move!

Yes the OP here has a right to her garden.

Neither men have the right to be called disgusting names- which you appear to still think is ok.

thornrose · 08/08/2014 12:46

Good decision Fanjo, I must step away too.

dawndonnaagain · 08/08/2014 12:46

Pag is absolutely right. I have only come across a paedophile once, (luckily nothing to do with my children). However, he was charming, friendly, erudite and would happily have let him play chess with my children. The only people not shocked by his arrest were his family.

dawndonnaagain · 08/08/2014 12:48

Why does she think him strange? Probably because he doesn't relate to her, that's all, and you've interpreted weird as a whole other ball game.

Pagwatch · 08/08/2014 12:49

She has been speaking to him for 10 years and in that time he has done nothing to make her rationally consider him a threat.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:49

I see...so being a Pedo then is only the preserve now of the incredibly charming Confused

I think the main mistake is to profile any peados actually, rich/poor/tory/labour/ awkward/charming.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:50

The thread I referred to made that very clear.

Pagwatch · 08/08/2014 12:53

Are you just being gratuitously ridiculous now Sweetpea.
I was labouring under the misapprehension that you were trying to have a discussion amidst the nonsense.

I said charming amidst some other random attributes which many paedophiles possess, including manipulative.
It does usually take a certain amount of charm and plausibility to gain access to children and to keep those children silent.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:53

She has been speaking to him for 10 years and in that time he has done nothing to make her rationally consider him a threat

Oh I see, so its a length of time chatting now that reveals someones true hand?

OP, be cautious, always keep an eye whoever the neighbour is. My neighbours are now fabulous....they really are. But at the end of the day I do not know them, I am happy to let DD chat to our more elderly neighbour....but I know he doesn't go out in the garden to chat to her. it happens occasionally and its clear he is out there already or for other purposes...its something I will always monitor though and be aware of...and I am afraid its the same with all the men in the family too. I will always monitor and be aware...its my job.

Beautifullymixed · 08/08/2014 12:53

Oops!
Wanted to say can we not spare time in our busy lives for others -especially vulnerable folk.

I am a private person too and love my own company, especially after dcs5, but I can't imagine thinking such horrible thoughts about a longstanding neighbour.

Who has done nothing to you apart from bend your earholes off!

I have read that the OP has talked to him, but again I think Callaired said it best.

There are some nasty posts on this thread and posters raging about 'slights' to them. Boo hoo!

I'm glad that the OPs next door neighbour hasn't read this thread....Sad

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:55

I was referring to Dawn who seems to think because the one pedo she knew was charming that they are all charming.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:55

Wanted to say can we not spare time in our busy lives for others -especially vulnerable folk.

and in ten years she has not made time for this man?