To wonder if this is for real, and if so, what moron came up with it?! **Trigger warning**

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One in three reported rapes happen when the victim has been drinking

If this link is true I am ashamed to work for the nhs.

70% of those admitting rape claim they were drunk/high.
40% of those denying rape claim they were drunk/high.
Over 70% of those denying rape claim their victim was drunk/high.

I've signed the petition

I would love to see a really widespread advertising blitz reminding men not to rape, and making it clear that a drunk per on cannot give consent

I was thinking about this again this morning. Why do you not see posters aimed at boys/men, pointing out that 'no' means 'no', regardless of a woman's clothing, behaviour and what drink/drugs she has consumed, and that if you ignore 'no' you are, automatically, a rapist and a criminal.

Where the fuck is that poster?

This also then led me to remember a thread recently about girls wearing shorts under their frocks so that boys didn't laugh at them if they saw a girl's knickers when she did a handstand in the playground. A lot of people on that thread thought that this was fine, that the girls should do this, rather than the boys be taught not to laugh/point/jeer. But there is a direct line from that (girls' altering their clothing because of boys' behaviour) to this (victim-blaming for rape), isn't there? Or am I over-thinking this?

There are those sort of campaigns e.g. this in Scotland.

This poster is not in print any more, and was part of an alcohol awareness campaign. For some reason alcohol campaigners seem to think it's acceptable to use this sort of thing to try and curb drinking. They are twats.

Statistically with England's binge drinking problem, at the time anything happens to anyone there's a good chance drinking would have been something that happened before during or after. That poster makes it look like getting plastered was the reason it happened. And only features a woman

Advice on keeping yourself safer is not gender specific. Things like keeping your drink with you at all times applies to both sexes. Avoiding unlit areas, staying in pairs/groups etc is probably good advice. But of someone's going to attack they are going to attack and more needs to be done to stop that from happening rather than people stop living their lives incase something they do leaves them open for an attack

Well said, Gileswithachainsaw. Also, I love your username. It makes me want to get out my Buffy box set.

whatsthat

Yes! That's just the sort of thing we need here

I have seen great posters aimed at teenage girls telling them what relationship abuse looks like. These were in the ladies' toilets at the cinema.

We need those posters aimed at men in the men's toilets

My DSs are 11 and 14. I have already spoke to then about consensual and no-consensual sex.

spoken

non-consensual

I think it would be better to remind men by poster that rape is rape and it doesn't matter a flying fuck what she wears if she has been drinking or what she does for a living.

newt so agree. My sons were totally taught that too. As are my dds.

Good for you, NewtRipley. My DS is 7 so perhaps still a bit young but definitely going to have that conversion by 10 or 11.

Conversation, not conversion.

I rather like this advice to men. The poster in the OP is 6 years old, but is still on walls in GP surgeries and in some hospitals. An NHS spokesman said that he couldn't see a problem with it. Nice

Chiana, presumably you have already had similar conversations with your DS. You know: it's only a game if everyone is playing it, gentle hands, stuff about their own bodily integrity, so understanding consent should be a doddle now

CaptChaos

When you put it like that ....

Great poster

I can't see what the poster says at it won't go large enough in phone to read it.

But I'm assuming it might as well say "don't leave the house and stay home with your husband and a big dog to warn of attackers" ?

Thing is there should be advice to women (and men for that matter) on keeping yourself safe. There are evil people out there who aren't going to listen to anything. But this advice should be non-judgmental and accurate. So, for instance, advising people that if they don't like something they can say no. That they don't 'owe' someone anything even if they have been getting intimate etc.

CaptChaos, yes we've had those conversations already. Good point that the whole "always get enthusiastic consent" conversation is an offshoot of ones we've already had.

Was there not a similar poster a few years ago I remember it caused outrage then but still we women will not learn

Do we have posters advising young men they are more vulnerable if they have a drink

Or yet again is it these silly women who will make it easy for those men who simply can not control themselves

When the fuck are we going to move on there is only ever one person to blame the rapist

That poster is unbelievable. Classic victim blaming.

There is a way you can advise people to be cautious without blaming them if something does happen though. I think some people act like there isn't.

I think that surely it's a good thing to make girls and women aware that there are more things to be worried about when getting drunk than making a fool of yourself on the dance floor.

How could you get the core message of that poster across without it being construed as victim blaming?

I don't see it like that. I think it's been twisted, it's just stating a fact that when your drunk you are more vulnerable.

And surely if the stats are right.. It's just stating a fact...
No where do I read or think it imply that it's your fault for drinking.
I don't see the big deal?

The only cause of rape is a rapist. Not because a girl got drunk, wore a short skirt etc etc.

However, sometimes people make themselves more vulnerable to being the target of an attack. That doesn't mean they are to blame but I think we should be giving people advice on how to protect themselves.

I think the poster is good in the way that it does make you realise that getting drunk isn't just a bit of fun BUT I don't like the way it gets the message across as it does seem a bit like it is blaming the victim.