AIBU to think that Islamist Extremism is on the rise in Britain as well as the rest of Europe?

[DikTrom]

In schools, local communities, pro ISIS demonstrations etc. with Muslim leaders remaining silent.

Is this something new or was it always there right under the surface?

Have we been to tolerant to people who openly reject our values and want to overthrow our society?

JUST DON'T GET INTO THE HABIT.

How much sexual gratification do monks get?
Nun.

(Are we alowed to tell nun jokes?)

I expect Mumsnet HQ doesn't mind nun jokes. Just don't make jokes about Muslims, that would not be politically correct.

Fair point!

What about penguin jokes? They are often interchangeable with nun jokes.

I also know a fair few Mullah Nassrudin jokes.

Nasreddin Hodja, you mean.

Nope

mullahnasruddin.com/?tag=nasruddin-jokes

I never said I could spell (in any language).

He was never a mullah.

He is a recognisable character, famed in stories, cartoons and books. Very popular in Iran. My DH has books from his childhood.

What's wrong with politically correct Dik?

Dik
My Muslim DH can make jokes about Muslims; I can make jokes about Christians because I am RC. I doesn't work the other way around.

In the same way Brits laugh at our foibles all the time but woe betide a non-Brit who tries the same joke.

I'd have to say that you do come over as having the most enormous chip on your shoulder.

It not I

I know exactly who he is/was, having grown up in Turkey (where he was born) - a real person as well as a comic character of myriad witty stories.

His name was Nasreddin Hodja and he was never a mullah. I can't say why the Iranian translations call him "mullah". Maybe because mullahs are so prominent in Iran.

D

Don't rise to it nice

Cote, his stories are known and told over a very wide range of countries, and it's not surprising that a Trickster character should be known by different versions of his name.
I'd take mullah to be an honorific rather than a very specific title.

My Muslim DH can make jokes about Muslims; I can make jokes about Christians because I am RC. I doesn't work the other way around

I take it you've never seen Rev, The Vicar of Dibley, Father Ted, Nuns on the Run and long before that All Gas and Gaiters not forgetting countless sketches featuring nuns, vicars and the like.

So each and all of them were acceptable simply because they were written and performed by members of the religion concerned?

Down - I'm aware that Nasreddin Hodja's stories are told elsewhere. Just pointing out the error in translation. He wasn't a mullah, was never called a mullah. "Mullah" isn't a honorific in all Muslim countries and isn't even a terribly positive to call someone.

There is nothing to rise to, softly. I'm not about to fight with anyone, just like I didn't fight with you despite your tantrum & personal attack.

I believe they were, Phaedra.

Phaedra
Broadly - yes they were acceptable for that reason. They were people laughing at themselves and their culture. My Dad was an Irish Catholic and loved Father Ted because it had an underlying affection for its subject even though it was gently mocking it.

Someone once asked me if I thought Father Ted was 'racist', I said of course not it was written by Irish Catholics :).

FlipFlops seriously you think every single person who has ever been involved in a comedy sketch about Christians is a Christian?