AIBU, to be concerned about increasing anti-semitism throughout Europe

[DikTrom]

Yesterday's Sunday Times had a number of articles about increased anti-semitism in the UK. Same is happening in the Netherlands and even more so in France and Germany.

Absolutely agree with Soloman.

Also agree with poster who said lots of ignorant people on social media are jumping on the bandwagon with wild and wanton anti Jewish (and anti Israel( remarks. Most probably know cock all about the situation in Gaza and think it's some kind of 9/11 attack (I am not underplaying the conflict - I'm saying they don't grasp the situation or history).

Btw what I said upthread was that it's despicable that anyone is defending anti semetic remarks on Mumsnet, not that people were making anti semetic remarks.

semitic, not semetic

IceBeing - what I was referring to when I posted this morning was attacks on innocent Jewish people in this country, saying things like 'murderers' etc. That's pretty cut and dry.

Oh I completely agree anyone attacking anyone in the UK is most certainly racist.

I have no opinion on the Gaza situation at all as I do not have the time to understand the history of the conflict and even a cursory reading of current news stories shows them to be riddled with all sorts of bias and sensationalism.

IceBeing, the deaths aren't sensationalism. Although there's a lot of shit being said to justify them.

try this

The despicable people who defend the murder of innocent children like to distract from their appalling stance by crying 'anti semite' and 'look over there they've killed more arabs than us'. Pathetic. NOTHING can justify Israel's actions NOTHING justifies the murder of innocents.

gosh Runes I'd love to see where people HAVE defended it on this thread

even if they did it still doesn't justify racism - nothing does really

Again, the situation in Gaza has nothing to do with my thread. My thread is about attacks on Jewish people here, in Europe. I find it despicable that some people seem to think that events in other parts of the world could justify totally innocent children and adults in a totally other part of the world.

could justify attacks on

why is this thread so goady :( surely we all oppose racism of any kind?

Just like you wouldn't demand every Muslim you meet condemns Boko Heram or every Catholic the IRA why do jews have to condemn the action in Gaza before they are allowed to complain or feel scared of racist attack?

One Palestinian child has been killed by Israel every 3 days for the last 13 years.

www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/6185-one-palestinian-child-has-been-killed-by-israel-every-3-days-for-the-past-13-years

Dik, all children are totally innocent.

yes Runes we know - but that is NOT what this thread is about

Runes do you think attacks on Jewish people in Europe are justified?

Thunderbumsmum, JohnFarleysRuskin, TheWitchwithNoName, backbystealth and SolomanDaisy have all looked at the example of a disgusting racist post on this thread, and they have all ignored it. Why is that? They all have something to say about anti-Semitic posts.

Are we living in a world where we only object to hate speech if it is about "us?"

YADNBU OP. Anti semitism, Islamophobia and racism are on the increase and it is terrifying. The actions if the Isreali government/ Boko Haram / ISIS etc. is no justification for abuse and terrorizing of innocent people across Europe.

gordy Where is the condemnation? I expect the same response from all creeds, nationalities, ethnicities, humans. I expect outrage and revulsion and a call from all people to stop the slaughter. All I hear are excuses and self pity. Where is the humanity? ??

So, are Brits fair targets for attack throughout the world because of what the Blair government did in Iraq?

Should Brits expect to have to publicly apologise and disavow the Iraq war or else be fair game for attack?

Because that is the logic that seems to be running around -- that Jews shouldn't really expect any different given what Israel is doing.

This is, by the way, the logic that Osama bin Laden used to justify terrorist attacks against the West -- that ordinary people bore the blame for government actions. It's a perverse logic that has no place in modern times, whether we're talking about Brits, Muslims, Jews, Americans, whoever.

Gordy, you would think so, unfortunately on MN Muslims are regularly got at because of terrorism and FGM, Catholics for child abuse, and now Jewish people for the actions of a murderous Israeli policy. "Othering" rears it's ugly head time and time again on MN.

Just some links from this week's Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (in Dutch I am afraid) show the problem that Jews across Europe are being targeted is indeed a Europe wide problem:

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gordy I don't agree with violence on any level. Of course I would condemn any such attacks and I am not so ignorant as to think all Jewish people support that blood thirsty madman Netanyahu.

dreamingbohemian Tue 29-Jul-14 18:18:32
So, are Brits fair targets for attack throughout the world because of what the Blair government did in Iraq?
Should Brits expect to have to publicly apologise and disavow the Iraq war or else be fair game for attack?
Because that is the logic that seems to be running around -- that Jews shouldn't really expect any different given what Israel is doing.

Did you just make that up, or can you demonstrate that is the prevailing opinion?

I feel very uncomfortable with my growing dislike of Israel. I know Jewish people in Europe are innocent and are not in any way responsible for the horrific scenes in Gaza. But, when I meet a Jewish person I can't help thinking 'do you support this killing?' I also felt the same towards Muslims after 9/11, ISIS's actions, ect. I expect I'll be jumped on for saying this but I'm just being honest.

I know most normal thinking people hate what is going on around the world. I would also never ever even dream of attacking people or condoning attacks on people/property.

I'm 1/4 Jewish BTW and DH is 1/2 Jewish although neither of us are believers in any God and have not been raised with any Jewish traditions.

"Because that is the logic that seems to be running around -- that Jews shouldn't really expect any different given what Israel is doing."

No, that logic is not running around on Mumsnet. I disagree.

However, it is quite unrealistic to expect the world not to condemn Israel for its actions in Gaza right now and I am pleased to see a gathering storm of protest.

It could possibly explain increased anti semitism (it would be wrong of course, but it might explain it).