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So it's culpable homicide because she didn't mean to kill him? ok then. I hope there is a special place in hell for people like her.

self importance at its highest

Popette you say you work in mental health, are you a trained nurse or Doctor then? I can only assume you aren't and are probably a support worker who had never worked in a forensic environment. Humans aren't monsters - but evil people do exist, people like yourself are very naive to think otherwise. There's not always a reason why people do bad things, apart from their personality. As a trained RMN currently working as a Nurse Therapist with adults who have been abused as children (usually by a family member) I can assure you evil exists in humans. Just because you prefer to think of there being excuses for wickedness doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I agree with the poster who had knowledge of 2 Mothers who killed their children, particularly with puperal psychosis where the Mother had lost contact with reality and is not responsible for her actions. Depression rarely causes a person to kill anyone apart from themselves. This woman is not psychotic or severly depressed otherwise she would be in a secure psychiatric hospital.

Sometimes I despair of some peoples keenness to be seen as "compassionate" and understanding and oh so right on.

And popette what exactly do you want awareness to be raised of?

We, anyone... Can make a difference if we speak honestly with compassion instead of name calling and blame

I don't understand how your statement ^ will prevent people killing children in a fit of cold calculated rage.

What are your proposals exactly?

Good post, Tinkerball

owllady

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/other_subjects/621282-i-don-39-t-love-my-child/AllOnOnePage

On that thread the poster had a lot of support.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/other_subjects/621282-i-don-39-t-love-my-child/AllOnOnePage

What about the mothers who are not articulate and cannot express how they feel, and cannot bear to tell anyone how much they hate their child? It's wonderful that this mother got lots of support and good advise but so many don't. They suffer and try and cope, eventually doing the only thing they can to make it stop.

Bonding issues need to be brought out into the open and made less taboo so that mothers feel they CAN ask for help. There is so much stigma attached to admitting you hate your child. Hardly anyone would admit to it. I don't know how that happens but discussions like this highlight it.

Unfortunately I am loathe to impart any personal details about my own experience as I don't feel I am not in a supportive place on this thread, having been bullied by several posters. The same goes for my job, which I see has been denigrated to lowly support worker by Tinkerball.

Stillstayingclassysandiego, everything you have written in response to my opinions has been bitchy and unpleasant. Please stop it. It's really very childish.

The same goes for my job, which I see has been denigrated to lowly support worker by Tinkerball.

No it hasn't - you haven't said what your job is, this in no way could be identifying. I didn't state "lowly" - I have met some fantastic support workers in my career who play an integral role in patient care. It was your bold claim that there is no such thing is evil that made me say that, naivety in the extreme. If you were a trained Psychiatric Nurse or Doctor I'm sure you would have came across evil people as well as mentally ill people.

You come across not only as naive Poppette but arrogant to.

Yet, on MN, people who are reluctant to bring a child into the world are regularly encouraged to do so with endless anecdotes of who so-and-so had a child he/she did nit want and then fell in love, adored it, you never regret a child, etc etc

This woman was presuaded to keep twins she did not want rather than have them adopted out as babies.

Where have I been bitchy and unpleasant?

I've asked you questions in response to some of your statements, you've chosen to ignore them.

What on earth is naive about my last post Tinkerball?! My point is I'm not going to justify my opinions by backing them up with my job title. Least of all because it will be pounced on, ripped apart, not experience-worthy enough. It seems to be the theme of this thread.

Absolutely rainbowinmyroom, there are lot's of women who should never have been mothers in the first place.

popette Where have I been bitchy and unpleasant to you?

Calling me 'goady' and 'twattish' are pretty unpleasant!

I did not say your last post was naive Popette, I said you were naive if you don't think people can be evil.

Pipettes if you work,as you claim in MH then you sound unbelievably naive. Possibly to the point of being a liability to yourself, your colleagues and the clients you work with. You need to be aware of what could happen, not what is ideal in some fluffy little world.
Spend a day in a prison. You will see evil, in many forms. Hell, spend a week in a secondary school, in a workplace, chances are you will encounter it in some way.

Sorry, not pippetes, Poppette.

You suggested my comment about posters low intelligence was down to them disagreeing with my comments Stillclassysandiego! I've never said that once. Please don't put words in my mouth. I was referring to comments such as 'she can rot in hell' and 'I'm surprised she hasn't killed people on the street as well as her child' and 'Hope she kills herself'. I can't remember who made them, but none of those are intelligent comments.
It doesn't bother me that people disagree with my opinion. Only that people don't disrespect the fact I have a differing opinion.
I'm afraid I still say that evil is 'created' and not intrinsic.

This thread is going round and round in circles and has perhaps gone completely off tangent. Is there any point in carrying on?

*I've not said that evil does not exist, rather that it is created not inherent. A fair opinion I think. I'm hardly a liability to myself or others for believing that!

popette Tue 26-Aug-14 12:20:55
My comments are offensive to the millions who battle mental illness??! Oh my, I had no idea I was conversing with people with such low intelligence

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The thread hasn't gone off tangent .

She should have been convicted of murder as suggested by the OP.

Your comment about low intelligence is incredibly rude and unnecessary. And yes, goady and twattish; not you, your remark.

I'm afraid you do come across as naive. Some people are evil, they do not function as we do, they have no thought for others, and they do commit simply appalling crimes for reasons that are beyond our comprehension. Whether they are born this way, or made is actually irrelevant, they are still people who will simply not care what impact they have on others. Most of us have met people like this, to a lesser extent. We are just very, very fortunate to have not met one who is more extreme, not become a victim of one.

People like that, you can offer as much help and support as you can, as this woman was, it will not change their nature, and our focus should be on safeguarding their potential victims.

I'm also pretty appalled that you refer to support workers as lowly. That's a disgusting think to say. As for feeling picked on, it's you, and a couple of other posters, who have singled posters out. This thread is not a personal thread, please stop making it so, and distracting from the real issue.

Ladies do you want to all stop bickering? Some of you are just looking to take umbrage with anything Popette says.