to think this should have been murder? Warning: potential triggers. Distressing content. [title edited by MNHQ]

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So it's culpable homicide because she didn't mean to kill him? ok then. I hope there is a special place in hell for people like her.

What I saying is, any news reports of a high profile case should be read and considered that it comes from any source, I could go and say anything about my neighbours and as long as it wasn't wildly offensive they could print that legitimately.

Especially in the immediate aftermath of an incident where information from police etc, is minimal. The media want to fill pages and sell them and will turn to facebook and neighbours to do that.

Just don't read everything and take it as gospel that's what I'm saying. And broadsheets obtain their stories from local and regional papers so doent make there information any more accurate.

I will always try and read an official source which is why I asked. I wrongly believed Theresa Riggi committed suicide as that was what reported until another mumsnetter pointed me to the official report where is showed she died of natural causes.

Adekoya also cut Mikaeel out of family pictures she put on social media just weeks before he died.

One of the original images shows the three-year-old staring at his mother. But in the picture she shared on her “Rosie All Good” Instagram page, he was the only sibling to be cut out.

She also posted motivational messages as her son was dying. On January 12, she posted a quote from the novelist Paulo Coelho, saying: “Life has many ways of testing a person's will, either by having nothing happen at all or by having everything happen all at once."

The second message, on January 13, the day before Mikaeel died, read: "As long as you are breathing you still have the chance for a better and happier life."

The handling of the case by social services raises disturbing questions about child care and will be the subject of a significant case review.

John Myles, chairman of Fife Child Protection Committee, said it would be led independently and look at information from files and records, as well as evidence from the court case.

The joint chief officers’ group of Fife Council and Edinburgh City Council, which will carry out the inquiry, includes representatives from Police Scotland and the NHS.

The court heard that Mikaeel and his twin sister were taken into emergency foster care after their mother left all five children at home in Kirkcaldy, Fife, while she went clubbing in Edinburgh in July 2012.

That's all lies then? With particular reference to the last paragraph.

I'd also point out that she is NOT in a psychiatric hospital. If she was I'll enough to kill, she'd surely be in one.

www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1302/HMA-v-ROSDEEP-ADEKOYA

Stratter, have you actually bothered to read what I posted? Of course the media are going to also report information that is accurate and from credible sources. And I would read that and be in no doubt it's true. But it doesn't mean you can believe every word that is printed.

Nevertheless, what you did was cruel and inexcusable. Striking a child even once is bad enough. Striking him heavily and repeatedly with hand and fist when he was being sick again and again simply beggars belief. Mikaeel was by all accounts a healthy happy little boy. By your actions, however unintended, you have not only robbed Mikaeel of his young life but left a gaping hole in the lives of all who loved him.

Nothing excuses what has happened but I do hope there will be an inquest into how a child in need was allowed home to be abused and killed by his mother :(
Surely something should have been done?
A struggling young woman, history of alcohol and drug abuse, attachment disorder with only one of her children, dv, brought shame on her family, reports off family and neighbours and it was STILL allowed to happen?

I can't believe some of the vigilante crap some of you are posting regarding prison.

There will be a Serious Case Review and they are published on the internet (with some information dedacted for obvious reasons). They are actually very interesting to read, especially if you have read the papers and followed a trial.

Yes, Nicknacky, I have. I'm not stupid, and I'm perfectly capable of sourcing reputable news sources. Stop patronising posters.

I saw some of this unfold, and saw that they found him, but nothing more than that (in Australia, so the news died down here) & I am saddened & sickened that she beat him because he was sick.

That poor poor lad.

Stratter, and you weren't trying to be patronising? And my post was aimed at you, not all posters.

People with low intelligence is an honest observation not an insult. I'm not talking about everyone on this thread.

To repeat, in much more simple terms; I do not defend a woman who has killed her child but prefer to see her as someone profoundly psychologically damaged. People are all different and your depression is completely different from someone else's depression. The 'mix' of psychological elements is what makes people do weird things. Yes, killing if they are pushed to the edge of their personal limit. Just because you coped it doesn't stand to reason someone else would cope with the same demands. I don't believe people are monsters or evil. And no, I don't have all the answers and I'm not condoning what she did.
I think it would be more intelligent to wonder WHY someone might behave this way. To say someone is simply a monster means you cannot think any deeper about the subject.

This thread really is a disgrace. So much hate. Between women, mothers...

No, very simply, I wasn't being patronising. Neither was I specifically talking to you.

Thank you Molio. Compassion is a rare thing indeed these days.

This thread really is a disgrace. So much hate. Between women, mothers...

Of course there's hate, it was a hateful act towards a small , defenceless child..

I'm not a mental health professional, I don't profess to be, I see her crime from the position of an averagely intelligent member of the public being shocked and angered by what she did.

Pondering why she and the other people who abuse their children commit such acts won't stop the next murder will it?

Pipette has a point. She was incredibly troubled and yet the support systems appear to have failed, which has ended in this tragic outcome.

I must admit, I wondered if the internet searches could have been threads on here and what reception someone would get if they started a thread asking why they didn't love one of their children.

popette I suppose you view posters that don't agree with you as the ones of low intelligence ?

I think we all need to, on this thread, try to differentiate between the explanation and the blame. Just because some posters might approach this in a "how did this happen and how can we reduce the chance of it happening again?" way does not automatically remove any blame in this case. It is important, for the next victim, that some people try to think about what we can learn from a situation. This does not, except in the most basic, reactionary terms, remove the responsibility from the individual.

Runner, that's a very good post and valid point.

"prefer to see her as someone profoundly psychologically damaged."

Why?

I suppose it's nicer to view her as someone at the end of her tether as a opposed to someone knowingly committing harm, but that's more about what you'd like to think as opposed to what the actual truth is.

Let's be clear, she may have persuaded a jury that she did not intend to kill him, but she certainly and purposely, repeatedly violently attacked a small, defenseless child, probably while he was crying and pleading with her to stop.

Fluff about "poor mothers at the end of their tether" only serves to distort the actual reality of what these children have suffered and again makes everything about the "poor, suffering adult", not the child.

Also, I think people need to ease off using their supposed professional experience to diagnose strangers, it's far from a professional thing to do.

It's got nothing to do with being nice. I feel like runner, I feel it's more constructive to use any motivation to understand what has gone wrong where and how to prevent it happening again.

Which seems unlikely when lots of support has been withdrawn under government austerity measures. She is the second mother in recent years in a highly publicised case like this to have an alcohol problem, has been in a domestically violent relationship and has gone on the murder her son. If people want to know how that can be prevented, it's not because they are being nice, it's because they don't want it to happen in the first place. We all have a responsibility to protect children

Ipity, she didn't persuade a jury. There was no trial as her plea of guilty was accepted.

I think the purpose of villains is to teach us something. And this thread has proved that. It's good to hear some more clear open minded thoughts today.
We, anyone... Can make a difference if we speak honestly with compassion instead of name calling and blame. Be disgusted and appalled, that's normal and human, and then look a little deeper and see if there is any way we can help prevent this from happening again, even it's simply with more awareness. That's a start.
Everyone is so obsessed with themselves and how their own mental illness has never led to them killing their own children. What a ridiculous angle to look at this. It's more intelligent to look beyond oneself if you want to learn anything.

I have been even and kind in my conversations here and there have been some really unpleasant individuals leaving nasty spiteful comments designed to upset. I'm not going to be bullied off a public forum for my opinion, thank you. Afterall there is something called free speech and we're all entitled to it.

I have been even and kind in my conversations here

Really?, you've inferred that posters intelligence is low, those of us who disagree with you that is, how's that kind?