to be angry at the fact women MUST NOT BE FAT

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I'm just so pissed off with the double standards!

I went into primark and there is a whole wall dedicated to "hide your fat" type underware
and I dont just mean Spanx and the like, there were corset type tops, underware leggings to stop the wobble as you walk, a "no more back fat" vest - I shit you not, that's what it said on the label!! Rows and rows of the same type of fat hiding underware in all different styles and colours.

In comparison the men's underware department consisted of three rails, boxer shorts, briefs, socks and vests . Its the same in most shops now (although I was pretty shocked and impressed with such a vast range of products of this style)

In summer all over the tv/magazines its advertising how to get a great bikini body, fab abs, summer holiday slim down etc.

Winter its the little black dress diet for the office Xmas party!! -AIMED ONLY AT WOMEN

Aibu to just think FUCK OFF ALREADY?!
I realise this is nothing new BTW. I just had a realisation that things are only gonna get worse and I feel sad that this is the message that my dds are going to get brought up around

There are thousands of other acts people do willingly every day that contribute to their earlier deaths. Fat just seems to attract such a level of vitriol because it's so visible! As opposed to the skinny, pretty coke addict; the gregarious, engaging alcoholic

Completely understood. But people rarely (unless you're invested in it) defend a cocaine habit. There's no normalising, no social media pushing it as 'Fuck 'em, love me, love my coke'. Certainly no threads arguing for the equal recognition that coke addiction garments should be made for all, not just females

There is social and political movement that supports being fat. Right or wrong (I'm not going to judge), but it's there. And I find that...well...as I say...frustrating.

Younger men are certainly becoming more pressurised about their body image nowadays. See Geordie shore ,(and no doubt other similar programmes). It is the men who work out and watch what they eat, because they feel they have a certain look to attract women. Apparently working out is very common for young men now.

I do hope that all of the lovely people slagging off pudgies and fatties like me are perfect size zeros with no spots or moles or any other physical imperfections.
I rather suspect though that you're as ugly as your sizeist comments.
Shut the fuck up.

That's the point.

A PERSON can be fantastic, and fat.

I do not object even slightly, even remotely, to the PERSON. But being overweight is not a quality to embrace and be proud of. I am a good person, but like most people I have some qualities I have to work at avoiding - faults, if you like.

Greed, and/or laziness are both faults.

People are not starving in this country to the extent they are in the Third World either, Darkesteyes. We have a myriad of social problems in this country and I accept having a healthy diet is difficult when your life may be chaotic but nonetheless, it's important. So is not smoking, keeping drinking to a moderate amount and so on.

Of course, it's harder to be motivated to do any of this if your life isn't great but I don't see that as a reason to gloss over it and encourage people to become/stay obese.

Worra "I just typed 'male underwear models' into Google"

Purely in the interests of scientific research of course

Working out
Shaving of chest/back and pubic hair
Moisturising
Eyebrow shaping
Skin toners
Hair products/straighteners

These are all becoming very common for young men nowadays

As for the nonsense on this thread about "see you on the pathology table" - that's just an attempt at point-scoring and shaming

Well, I don't agree but will retract as appropriate.

but it seems had I said that about any other more obvious early death stuff such as cocaine addiction might have been fair game

Do we shame cocaine addicts? Genuine question.

Rubbish. If women were not allowed to be fat why is it that I can't wear anything from M&S because everything is too big? You are totally allowed to be fat as a woman - what you are NOT allowed to be is ugly.

Boulevard you could have clicked the link I provided you with for < Cough > research purposes

But not every fat person wants to defend their size/habits etc. Or celebrate how great is is being a big curvy woman. We'd rather accept we are not perfect (who is?) and get on with our jobs, lives, etc.
But when someone makes fairly crass comments (such as your pathology table comment, in fairness) you feel obliged to retaliate.

And actually, the whole celebrity scene is a validation/normalization of booze and coke! But hey, they're skinny and pretty!

Funlovin How do spots kill you?

...you've actually made it about vanity. I'm..what..telling you off about how it looks? I'd rather you didn't die because of it, literally could not give a shit about anything else (maybe don't smoke too much though )

maid I disagree with your view point but I do love your "love me, love my coke"

And worra Im not disagreeing with you that women want these things, there is most definitely is a market for it out there. My issue is WHY there is such a market for it.

actually alcohol and a cheeky half bottle every evening when the kids have gone to bed is routinely accepted and even giggled at. No one can see it the next day. It's known to be damaging to health - much more than carrying a bit of extra weight - but it's invisible. As a result people who drink that bit too much are totally under the radar whereas fat is everybody's business.

It's notable on MN how often there is a fat thread - several, most days. Very rare to see a "let's talk about how much people drink and I'll just mention in passing that I don't drink anything" thread.

I thought Africa might get mentioned......I call bingo branston people having to chose between paying the bedroom tax or eating.....their lives are a bit more than just "chaotic. You are showing your political affiliation there.

And to all the posters who say men aren't buying into this.

Well heres another thing men aren't doing They aren't saying to their friends "Hey mate you d know the X you are wearing is really XL Its vanity sizing mate. Yep mate Vanity sizing" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at "Bridal bootcamps" - never for grooms! You've got to be tiny and skinny to fit in your wedding dress. He can just look like his usual self.

But when someone makes fairly crass comments (such as your pathology table comment, in fairness) you feel obliged to retaliate

Retaliate. Fill your boots. It's your right.

But answer? Had I said it about a coke addict? Honestly...

Thanks for your concern. maid.
I'll be sure to roll on to you and crush you when I drop dead of fatty induced heart attack.
Don't stand still for too long, dear...

< claps Quangle> Im teetotal and I don't go moralizing on the drinking threads. Because its not in my nature.

""But being overweight is not a quality to embrace and be proud of.""

I would hope that no-one would be ashamed of just being overweight.

There needs to be the distinction made between overweight and bordering obese.

It isn't life limiting to be up to a stone overweight, or even unhealthy, if you are active.

Some people naturally carry more body fat than others, these would be the survivors in starve, or concentration camp situations.

It doesn't require greed, or laziness to carry extra pounds.

Extra stones, are a very different matter.

Yanbu, and similar applies to make-up, hair dye and hair removal.

maid my comment was a response. People don't defend coke addicts but there is a complete acceptance of levels of drinking which are the equivalent of eating to obesity -- and this is not the subject of shaming in the same way.

My Dad recently passed away, from a very sudden, totally unexpected heart attack. He was fit and well, slim, sporty - I know people who are overweight, smokers and so on who are older than him. It isn't just a life expectancy thing, I know this.

But something I've been thinking a lot about lately, partly due to some voluntary work I've been doing, is about how we do live our lives and perhaps that's why I've reacted in the way I have here. Honestly, six months ago I'd have been saying 'yanbu, fat is fine' but I am afraid I no longer think it is, if people can separate fat from fat person, if that makes sense.

I've struggled with my weight. I was a slim, healthy teenager and then at 16 my Mum died. Over the two years I was doing my A levels I gained about a stone, but it wasn't catastrophic as I was about 9 stone and went up to 10 which is just a healthy weight for my height. Then I went to university and no car and kebabs (I couldn't cook!) took their toll and I gained 4 and a half stone. I wanted to train as a teacher after graduating but realised I couldn't, at that weight - I didn't want kids laughing at me. So I went on a fairly drastic diet and lost it in 3 months. I got down to 10 stone and looked great though I say so myself

But I still struggled and I bounced between 10 and 11 stone in my twenties. When I turned 30, I got really ill and lost weight. I then gained loads in 2013 for a load of different reasons (yeah, mostly eating too much!) and went back up to over 14 stone. I lost it, slowly, but it hasn't been until my dad died I've had this revelation. It isn't weight for vanitys sake but it's health.

At over 14 stone, my quality of life was massively compromised. I couldn't enjoy walking, running, or anything that required movement. Now I love to walk in beautiful summer evenings and mornings, I love to exercise, it makes me feel happy to be alive and honestly I used to HATE it. I have started doing a hobby again I loved as a teenager. I enjoy eating - I didn't before, it was mixed in with emotions, but now I just like food as it tastes nice, then move on.

So many simple pleasures are mine again. My health, my confidence, dignity, hope and self respect are back.

Hating fat people is awful and wrong, it should not happen. But there is also a moral obligation to ourselves, I think, to our loved ones, to be fit, healthy and active - and ENJOY life.