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After my partner went off on one?

171 replies

stargirl04 · 21/07/2014 14:45

We were leaving my bf's house this morning at 6.40am as he was dropping me off at the station for me to catch a train to work.

We were on a tight schedule and as we came out of the house we saw there was an Ocado van blocking the road so that no vehicles could pass.

My bf started cursing and shouted - rudely and angrily - at the driver: "Oi mate, can you move your van as we need to get past and we're in a hurry".

The driver looked at him as though he were mad, said nothing but finished his delivery and moved the van.

I said nothing but my bf said something like "that f-ing meat head should be parked on the verge so cars can pass, like all the other delivery drivers".

His anger is an issue between us -we've been together 9months. I said: "I don't think you should have shouted at him, you could have asked him nicely".

He said "Oh right, so to up and ask him nicely, then wait for him and make you late for work. Would you prefer that?" etc etc.

The other day I was trying to follow directions on my smartphone and couldn't figure out which way was north, south etc - and he raised his voice at me then, saying "We could have found the way ourselves by now!"

His default response to any kind of pressure or even mild frustration is to lose his temper. He denies shouting but to me his response is quite frightening and hurtful.

Back to the Ocado man, I was embarrassed and felt sorry for him, and I also wondered what the neighbours must think.

Last winter he went ballistic when a neighbour blocked his car in. He called him a f-ing pikey and screamed at him, waving his arms, face red, eyes bulging.

There was a row between him and the neighbour and I ended up trying to calm everyone down.

Regarding this Ocado delivery incident, am I being over-sensitive? My friend says her DH shouts at her sometimes. Am I just being unreasonably thin skinned?

I know he's upset with me now as I haven't heard from him all day, when usually I have by now.

Thanks for reading.

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maddening · 22/07/2014 22:54

Sorry should have rtft :) fab update - enjoy the peace and have a fab summer - there's loads on now everywhere you look as summer hols have started so enjoy it and let your hair down.
good luck with tonight - have someone either with you or on call. Don't let him manipulate you! He is an expert after all.

NoodleOodle · 23/07/2014 02:14

Hope you're alright OP? Do come back to update, if only to say you're ok.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 23/07/2014 07:14

Hopefully the OP will pop back on just to say she's okay.

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 23/07/2014 07:16

Morning stargirl everything ok?

BitOutOfPractice · 23/07/2014 07:40

She won't be back if he's talked her round

stargirl04 · 23/07/2014 08:17

Hi, yes, I'm here and I'm okay. Won't be able to post too often as I'm at work and, becuase of staff cuts, it's always busy.

But he took his stuff, brought mine round and went, after a lengthy discussion. And that's it really.

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StillStayingClassySanDiego · 23/07/2014 08:19

Good to hear you're well , take care.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 23/07/2014 08:23

Excellent news OP!

Now, get the twatdar polished, practice the Medusa meditation, and make sure the doors are locked at all times.

Good luck with the rest of your life.

Smilesandpiles · 23/07/2014 08:34

OMG well done. I have to admit, I didn't think you would do it as you seemed to talking yourself back.

You should be bloody proud of yourself.

Charley50 · 23/07/2014 08:58

Well done! I'm really relieved for you! That's cheered me up!

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 23/07/2014 09:04

Well done! Now stay strong and don't let him worm his way back!

You deserve so much better!!

stargirl04 · 23/07/2014 10:33

Hi, well I am having a few wobbles this morning. I will admit I am a person who is quite weak in many respects and doubts myself constantly, but I've just read through this whole thread again and almost everyone has posted something that is immensely helpful to me and reassures me that I've done the right thing.

I even quoted some of your word back at him last night - not saying those words were from MN (just "I've asked other people") such as:

"If you truly loved me, you would not be trying to defend or justify something that upsets me and makes me nervous, you would be apologising and addressing your behaviour."

"Yes, you do a lot for me and go out of your way, but these are normal things that one should expect in a relationship."

He did try to justify himself again last night, explaining that the Ocado man was being inconsiderate, that all the other delivery drivers park on the grass verge to allow other traffic to get through, and that if he'd been "nice" the delivery man would say "Yeah, yeah, just a minute mate,", and keep us waiting and then I would be late for work. Maybe next time he "should just sit there and say nothing, like a wimp".

Then he said: "Well, it was my fault I suppose for bringing you over to my place and cooking you dinner. If I hadn't done that then this wouldn't have happened."

He just doesn't get it. I told him I felt sorry for the Ocado man and that I felt embarrassed and he said, "Well I'm sorry I'm not good enough for you."

I said I was worried about what the neighbours would think about someone shouting like that at 6.40am in the morning, and he said: "He (Ocado man) was way up the street and I had to speak up to be heard. Anyway, most people in the street are up by that time."

Just doesn't get it at all.

It reminds me of when we had the "co*ksucker" row a few weeks ago. I had previously confided in him that I had had a lot of counselling and treatment for anxiety and depression which was used against me in this argument.

He suggested I wanted to go back to my ex, who he is jealous of, and I said "You must be joking, it is crazy to think that," or something like that, and he replied: "Crazy? Well you are the one who has had psychiatric treatment."

Which, strangely enough did make me feel quite crazy, as I felt it was below the belt and totally uncalled for, and I felt betrayed that he would use sensitive information against me after I had trusted him enough to confide in him.

I became really angry then and said I didn't want to continue in the relationship and put the phone down on him. Which is when he rang and rang and rang me, then when I wouldn't answer, texted saying "Please, baby, I love you and I'm sorry, can I come round? I need so much to apologise"... or something like that.

I relented and when he came round to "apologise" he said that his psychiatric treatment comment was "merely a statement of fact". So he was STILL justifying and defending himself. He has not, to this day, apologised for that comment, which did enrage me to the degree that I said I would NEVER tell him anything sensitive ever again as it would be used against me as a weapon.

More to come. Just want to post this bit....

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StillStayingClassySanDiego · 23/07/2014 10:40

Stay strong and don't engage with him.

Block/ delete his number.

You're doing so well.

stargirl04 · 23/07/2014 10:49

I told him I had never had psychiatric treatment or seen a psychiatrist ever in my life, only had counselling for anxiety and depression, which affects one in four of the population, or so I understand, but he said he had "misunderstood the distinction" or something.

Recalling all this is making me really mad, lol!

Then just a couple of weeks ago I was doing something stupid at home - trying to do some DIY with a kitchen knife while talking to him on the phone and, of course, the knife slipped and went into my hand.

There was blood spurting everywhere so I told him I had to get off the phone and would call him back.

I put a cloth on it to stop the bleeding then rang him back and told him I'd probably have to go to a casualty dept and we were discussing which was the nearest. He said soemthing I didn't listen to because I was distracted, having just stabbed myself in the hand, and he did it again - just completely went off on one...

"I SAID that Gordon Brown and his last Labour govt cronies shut the casualty dept down - I told you but you weren't listening.. blah-de-blah.... " and on and on it went.

I said "Bob (fake name), I am really sick of these outbursts and I am not putting up with it" and put the phone down on him. This time I ignored his calls back and texts, so he just turned up at my flat 15 mins later, saw my hand covered in blood and was contrite and genuinely apologetic, for a change.

Gosh, just feel as if I am ranting now.... sorry to go on ..... just remembering all this, it helps me to write it down as I am going to read this thread over and over when I feel myself weakening.

And I will weaken as, believe it or not, I do actually feel sorry for him. So I must be certifiably crazy after all, lol...

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Goldmandra · 23/07/2014 10:51

I think it speaks volumes that he is still trying to persuade you that his behaviour is proportionate and you are the one who is overreacting.

If he thinks that making a polite request to someone to move is being a wimp and it's OK to shout abuse at someone because you need something to happen quickly he is clearly going to be happy to use the same strategies on others in the future and possibly on you. He isn't going to rein in his behaviour because he sees it as perfectly justified.

Stay calm. You have taken control. Keep it and don't allow him to push you into talking. If you have said all you need to say you are entitled to shut him out. You don't have to keep listening to why you are wrong in his eyes.

NotNewButNameChanged · 23/07/2014 10:51

Don't weaken. The more you tell us the more right we all were. You do not need this man in your life.

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 23/07/2014 10:55

Keep reminding yourself of how he has spoken to you in the past and how he has chosen to use your anxiety and subsequent counselling as an attack against you.

Don't falter, you will get through this, honestly.

stargirl04 · 23/07/2014 10:56

I know I should not feel sorry for him but I do. He was mentally and emotionally abused by his parents, who showed him no love, and he grew up feeling that he was responsible for his parents' divorce.

I am a compassionate person and do feel sorry for him, as he doesn't really have anyone in his life that he can turn to, as one of his brothers doesn't seem to bother with him. The other is kind of there for him but I don't think they are "close" as such.

Even now, I am worrying about him and feel sad, but I must keep reliving these bad experiences between us to remind myself that I must not let compassion overcome common sense.

I appreciate so much everhting that everyone here has written and it makes so much sense. There are too many people to thank individually, but really, thanks to almost all of you!! Thanks
Cake

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Goldmandra · 23/07/2014 10:59

It's OK to feel sorry for him. He has shown you kindness and consideration at times and you are clearly a compassionate person. I feel sorry for lots of people but that doesn't mean I want a relationship with them.

Being subject to his regular lack of control over his temper is a condition of being in a relationship with this guy. You can't spend your life on tenterhooks waiting for the next outburst.

You therefore need to end the relationship. You have done the right thing.

Pyjamaramadrama · 23/07/2014 10:59

Stargirl when I read your op I was a tiny bit unsure, however the things you've posted since you've definitely 100% you've had a lucky escape.

At best he's a bad tempered overgrown child and at worst he's a potentially dangerous abusive bully.

greeneggsandjam · 23/07/2014 11:04

What a relief to hear that you put an end to things! You mustn't reply to any texts he sends you/answer the phone to him. Would it be a total pain to change your phone number? Absolutely don't let him into your house.

Re read all of this thread every time you start to wonder!

stargirl04 · 23/07/2014 11:15

I think he is a bad-tempered overgrown child and a bully too, although I've come to the conclusion that I'm not in physical danger, as he was calmer than I expected him to be last night.

When he left he said: "You are right, we should break up. You're not the only one with doubts. I don't trust you. There are other things."

I said: "Well, why don't you tell me?" and he said: "I can't tell you because you'd go mad and hit me."

I am fairly sure I would not "go mad", under the new, calmer (self-imposed) Stargirl regime, but I would certainly never, ever hit him.

He said: "I guess I'll see you sometime?" And I said, "What's the point?"

I mean, what is the point? And he left.

Still getting my head around all of this. As a PP said, I guess he didn't really love me that much after all.

If he'd smacked himself against the head in recognition and said: "Oh God, I totally get it. I see now why you've been upset. I didn't realise I was being such an idiot/hurting you so much, I'm so sorry/want to change/want to seek counselling/am devastated that I cause you so much anxiety and hurt... " etc, then who knows, maybe there would have been a chance. But he didn't do any of that. Merely justified and minimised. Then walked out.

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stargirl04 · 23/07/2014 11:22

Gold, re what you wrote: You can't spend your life on tenterhooks waiting for the next outburst.

That's what I was doing. I was on the phone to my RL FF just before the hand-stab incident and I said to her: "I haven't seen him for a week, so I'm expecting a row. I can predict them now." And lo and behold, 10 mins later that's exactly what happened.

It is always when he hasn't seen me for a while. He admitted he resents me not texting or calling much because I am busy decorating my flat and going to work.

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greeneggsandjam · 23/07/2014 11:23

All the nice things he did for you weren't really that nice, perhaps more a way of totally taking over your life and doing absolutely everything with/for you till you are never alone and cant make a decision without him. He also had a lot of time on his hands so it wasn't like he was working full time and doing stuff after for you or taking time off work for you.

All in, I would say you have had a lucky escape but I wouldn't expect this to be the end of it!

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance · 23/07/2014 11:23

If your conversation last night didn't shock him into a bit of self awareness, there's no reason to suppose he ll change. He has behaved in this way for 50 years and he won't change now without doing a hell of a lot of major work on himself. From what you have seen of his behaviour since you told him, he has no intention of doing this because he doesn't think he's wrong.

I think he will pursue you because that's a tactic that has worked in the past. You need to plan for this.

I understand that you're compassionate and he's had a shit life but from what you've told us, the very worst thing would be for you to cave in because you might be able to 'fix' him. You won't be able to and you'll be doing yourself a lot of damage if you try.

good luck with your plans to make the break permanent.