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Grooming gangs - please check on your teens

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lemmein · 17/06/2014 09:42

I am unsure whether to put this on here, I might get ripped apart for what some might consider 'stating the bleedin' obvious' but I'm going to anyway.

This year my 15 year old daughter came home late (due in at 10 - arrived home at 11:30). She'd told me that she was going to the cinema with her friend. When she didn't arrive home I called her friends parents, her friend had been home all evening. Obviously I panicked. When she eventually arrived home we had a huge row and she admitted she had been out with '2 lads'. I grounded her for being late and lying. The next day she ran away.

I contacted the police who informed me that another girl in her school had been involved with an asian grooming gang; the police found my daughter the same night but referred her to social services because they believed she may have been exploited.

Since that day our lives blew up. That night when she supposedly went to the cinema 2 men had picked her up from my doorstep and took her away for sex. I discovered that she had a private number for a taxi driver who she would call at the top of the road to take her to school (I thought she was getting the bus, as always!). She also admitted that on several occasions when she was supposed to be sleeping at her friends she was actually with these men. On one occasion she had been given drink and drugs, fell asleep, and woke up to a man in his late 20s having sex with her. Obviously we were devastated, and the guilt was overwhelming, I'd failed at protecting her by trusting her word.

The police told me to not ground/punish her because it would make these men more appealing to run to; it was an horrific time, I didn't want her to leave the house knowing she would go straight to them, so I put a 'spy' app on her phone. From this I found that she was still meeting these people, on one occasion I found 2 men sat in a car outside her school, the same 2 men who had taken her that night when she was supposed to be at the cinema. I videoed and confronted them; contacted the police, they said they weren't committing a crime!?! It was becoming difficult to protect her from this gang, and from herself really. She couldn't see what they were doing at all.

I don't want to go into every little detail because I don't want to lose the reason for my writing in such a lengthy post. My daughter doesn't fit the 'stereotype' for the victims of this sort of crime. Me and her dad have been together for 19 years and have a good relationship, she's never witnessed any sort of violence/bullying/intimidation. She's currently doing her GCSEs and is predicted As throughout, even when she ran away she took her school books! She's mostly a confident young girl and up until those months I had a good relationship with her, or so I thought. Obviously I'm not saying that those who DO fit the stereotype are fair game to these scum, I just want to make the point that actually, there is no stereotype.

I had become too relaxed, I had believed she was staying at her friends, I stupidly had stopped checking and just trusted her; something I will regret forever, by not checking I feel I had practically giftwrapped my daughter to these men. They could do what they wanted because they knew she had lied and would feel unable to confide in us.

Please, please, please check where your teens are. I know some might find this patronising and think I'm an idiot for not knowing what was going on under my nose (I still can't believe it, so I understand this) but I genuinely had no reason to suspect anything was wrong. Had she not arrived home late that evening I probably still wouldn't know. These people are clever! they worm there way into your teens lives, offer them free lifts, give them free takeaways, invite them to parties with drink/drugs - they are ruthless. They will even wait outside your home, outside schools! It has taken months of intense work with my daughter, from me and also from social services (who have been brilliant btw, if you suspect this is happening to your child please contact them) for her to understand what these men were doing. I'm probably guilty of painting a picture of paedophiles/rapists as being monsters, when actually, as she has found, they are often charming, good looking young men.

Also, check your teens FB friend list, for older males or ones that live outside the area - my daughter's was full of these people. Question if they turn up with new perfume, clothes, even cigarettes - this was one thing I noticed but suspected her and her friends had been shoplifting (now, I wish they had!!). I had lost contact with her friends parents, obviously at 15 year old I no longer stand at the school gates, since speaking to the parents its become apparent that this was happening to all of these girls, not just my daughter. Please, always check where they are. I have been told by the police and social services that these grooming gangs are a huge problem in my area (the north east) - it is unbelievable how they can infiltrate your family and steal your daughter from under your nose. I wish you could all meet my daughter, she's not stupid, yet she believed them?

Sorry for the ridiculously long post; I hope I don't sound patronising, probably most mums do what I stupidly didn't anyways, but if it helps one mum/dad question their teens activities its worth it. These people are scum, please check.

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Ziggyzoom · 17/06/2014 23:00

I think that would be a very good idea!

Serenitysutton · 17/06/2014 23:04

Red shifters post is spot on. It's ridiculous to say that acknowledging the problems with grooming gangs in the Asian community might lead people to believe grooming doesn't happen in any other community. Ridiculous.

unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 23:11

I'll wait to see what OP says as it seems this is going to be an upcoming campaign.

Manifestomtt · 17/06/2014 23:19

I have reported the thread with a request to start a campaign, to spread the knowledge and to pressurise the police especially in the NE area.

pinksomething · 17/06/2014 23:33

here
is some free online training from pace (parents against child exploitation) which anyone can access. It's really easy to use and only takes half an hour. It's aimed at making parents aware of the signs and methods of grooming and exploiting children. Please use it and share it. It's a fantastic resource.

Our local safeguarding children board are really focused on Child Sexual Exploitation now and, at least at a high up level, take it really seriously. After your experience I would be interested to know if it is taken as seriously by front line police officers.

lemmein · 18/06/2014 00:09

Just a quick post cos I'm knackered but will be back in the morning to answer any questions. I'm overwhelmed by the amount of support from you all, I truly appreciate all of your kind words and thank those who have also shared their stories.

Thank you Pink for posting the Pace site, I've just had a quick read through, scary - it's very accurate. I feel I don't even know the true extent of what happened to my daughter to be honest, but in hindsight those 'signs of exploitation' were very much there and I missed them :(

To those who have asked to start a campaign around this issue, thank you :) I would obviously fully support this, absolutely anything that helps raise awareness gets my support.

Sorry, I can't remember names but to those from the police/schools who have described how the services in their areas deal with exploitation, it's good to hear some do take this seriously. I hope our experience is rare.

The Barnados exploitation service in my area has a waiting list - that actually depresses me! Kids will be kids, they'll push boundaries, they'll put themselves in risky situations - educating them is important but I think educating parents is vital. It is us, the mams and dads who can stop/prevent this. I'm going to share that Pace site on FB.

Thanks everyone - I know I've missed loads, will be back tomorrow.

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GatoradeMeBitch · 18/06/2014 00:39

It's not racist to point out that there are large groups of Asian men coordinating attacks on young girls. Actually, it's their potential victims' fear of being thought racist, and the same more general fear in our society, that can play into their hands. Being accused of being a racist is an awful thing these days, and for the most part that's a very good thing, obviously. But there is a danger there when you get older, cynical, manipulative men intent on grooming young, naive eager to please girls. The race card is just another tool to be used.

I'm horrified by the police attitudes you described OP, I thought we had moved past the stance that once a girl/woman has been sexually attacked anything after that doesn't really matter because she's been devalued. That a police officer can hear that a victim of sexual abuse was raped in her sleep and his only concern was that she was around the age of consent?! I don't even have the words to describe my feeling about that.

GarlicJuneBlooms · 18/06/2014 00:58

"These health workers had mentally screened out the white perpetrators."

From Thistle's post at 19:16. This must be, as others have said, why there is some effort not to 'racialise' the perpetrators. I would suggest that, if more assertive efforts were made to intercept Pakistani traffickers, the gangs would simply put white boys in their place. Sexual abuse of young girls is a stronger bond than race, I imagine.

Thank you very much for this thread, lem, and PPs with similar experiences. I'm shocked & saddened by the response of the police, who had plenty of opportunities to intervene. It really does indicate systemic misogyny - indeed, an exploitative mindset among the officers themselves Angry It sounds as though Ziggy's regional police force should be charged with training others nationwide, as Hampshire (eventually) was with its more enlightened attitude to crimes of rape & sexual assault.

It's good to hear that improved victim support is available. I hope anyone still suffering the aftermath of historic exploitation will also be able to access it.

GarlicJuneBlooms · 18/06/2014 01:01

(Sorry, Hampshire pioneered improvements in the handling of rape AND domestic violence against women - don't want to credit them less than they deserved!)

1944girl · 18/06/2014 01:02

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unrealhousewife · 18/06/2014 01:11

1944 in what way are they in denial, are there incidents of reports being ignored? Would be good to ask her.

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googlenut · 18/06/2014 03:52

Thank you for sharing your story - it has given me a jolt about being lax about dd and the Internet. Could you also pm me where you are in NE as my area also.

KenAdams · 18/06/2014 09:57

This is diabolical behaviour by the police. Is anyone writing on their local forces social media sites and asking why it's being ignored? May I suggest people who are aware of things in their areas do this?

OP, how are you both now?

victrixludorem · 18/06/2014 10:10

Lemme, as you know I pm'ed you but i wanted to post for others: this thread prompted me to check up on my DD - I had had niggles for some time as I explained in my earlier post - following which I did some digging around and I discovered that she is in exactly the situation your DD was in Sad. We are doing police, STD checks etc today and trying to formulate a plan to turn her life around. I am going to do my utmost to ensure that the police take this seriously.

Please everyone don't assume that because you are a nice middle class family, with a talented dd at a nice school, wanting for nothing, that this can't happen to you. Check up on where your DC are , even if you think you ought to be able to trust them. It is for their own protection - they are so very vulnerable.

Ziggyzoom is a 17 yo still considered a child for these purposes? Can we get action against the perpetrators without fear of our DD being prosecuted for taking drugs herself? I want to stop this gang from ruining others' lives.

unrealhousewife · 18/06/2014 10:16

Victrix ThanksThanksThanks

For you and your daughter.

victrixludorem · 18/06/2014 10:22

Thank you. Still in shock tbh. YY to a campaign to get more police interest and action.

unrealhousewife · 18/06/2014 10:29

I hope you get all the support you both need today. You are going through any parents worst nightmare.

Suzannewithaplan · 18/06/2014 11:44

Very disturbing, another example of men seeking to control and extract profit from women, treating them as goods to be bought and sold.

Sickening to hear of the police brushing this under the carpet.
I see it in part as an extension of the porn culture which promotes the theme of women existing to sexually service men.

I think we need to raise awareness and continually point out to our daughters the multiple ways in which men exploit women, putting them to work to serve the needs of men.

googlenut · 18/06/2014 21:57

Haven't heard from Lemmin - can anyone else who knows where this is in the NE pm me please.

Daisby · 19/06/2014 09:14

Thank you for sharing this. It is extremely scary and so worth highlighting the dangers for teens. Could someone PM me and let me know where it's happening too as I'm in the NE. Thanks :)

victrixludorem · 19/06/2014 09:31

It is definitely happening in South London.

The safest thing is to assume it is happening near you and to be vigilant.

unrealhousewife · 19/06/2014 09:33

Does this happen only to girls who go out a lot, stay with friends, have a social life? Or does the grooming happen online or via phone?

CarpetBagger · 19/06/2014 09:54

it depends where you are, some men hang round school gates or pizza type places, mobile phone shops, sometimes an older sibling is offered money to lure girls in, ie your DD may not go out socially but walks home past places like this....or goes into mobile phone shop for something...( i mean the type that do second hand phones and bits and bobs, not orange etc) men in flash cars simply driving slowly and smiling at girls as they walk home from school, one day he pulls up and they chat...

maybe schools should start to highlight this and tell girls about it?

CarpetBagger · 19/06/2014 10:00

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/teenage-boy-from-salford-locked-up-690422

a lone wolf but done by facebook

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