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Grooming gangs - please check on your teens

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lemmein · 17/06/2014 09:42

I am unsure whether to put this on here, I might get ripped apart for what some might consider 'stating the bleedin' obvious' but I'm going to anyway.

This year my 15 year old daughter came home late (due in at 10 - arrived home at 11:30). She'd told me that she was going to the cinema with her friend. When she didn't arrive home I called her friends parents, her friend had been home all evening. Obviously I panicked. When she eventually arrived home we had a huge row and she admitted she had been out with '2 lads'. I grounded her for being late and lying. The next day she ran away.

I contacted the police who informed me that another girl in her school had been involved with an asian grooming gang; the police found my daughter the same night but referred her to social services because they believed she may have been exploited.

Since that day our lives blew up. That night when she supposedly went to the cinema 2 men had picked her up from my doorstep and took her away for sex. I discovered that she had a private number for a taxi driver who she would call at the top of the road to take her to school (I thought she was getting the bus, as always!). She also admitted that on several occasions when she was supposed to be sleeping at her friends she was actually with these men. On one occasion she had been given drink and drugs, fell asleep, and woke up to a man in his late 20s having sex with her. Obviously we were devastated, and the guilt was overwhelming, I'd failed at protecting her by trusting her word.

The police told me to not ground/punish her because it would make these men more appealing to run to; it was an horrific time, I didn't want her to leave the house knowing she would go straight to them, so I put a 'spy' app on her phone. From this I found that she was still meeting these people, on one occasion I found 2 men sat in a car outside her school, the same 2 men who had taken her that night when she was supposed to be at the cinema. I videoed and confronted them; contacted the police, they said they weren't committing a crime!?! It was becoming difficult to protect her from this gang, and from herself really. She couldn't see what they were doing at all.

I don't want to go into every little detail because I don't want to lose the reason for my writing in such a lengthy post. My daughter doesn't fit the 'stereotype' for the victims of this sort of crime. Me and her dad have been together for 19 years and have a good relationship, she's never witnessed any sort of violence/bullying/intimidation. She's currently doing her GCSEs and is predicted As throughout, even when she ran away she took her school books! She's mostly a confident young girl and up until those months I had a good relationship with her, or so I thought. Obviously I'm not saying that those who DO fit the stereotype are fair game to these scum, I just want to make the point that actually, there is no stereotype.

I had become too relaxed, I had believed she was staying at her friends, I stupidly had stopped checking and just trusted her; something I will regret forever, by not checking I feel I had practically giftwrapped my daughter to these men. They could do what they wanted because they knew she had lied and would feel unable to confide in us.

Please, please, please check where your teens are. I know some might find this patronising and think I'm an idiot for not knowing what was going on under my nose (I still can't believe it, so I understand this) but I genuinely had no reason to suspect anything was wrong. Had she not arrived home late that evening I probably still wouldn't know. These people are clever! they worm there way into your teens lives, offer them free lifts, give them free takeaways, invite them to parties with drink/drugs - they are ruthless. They will even wait outside your home, outside schools! It has taken months of intense work with my daughter, from me and also from social services (who have been brilliant btw, if you suspect this is happening to your child please contact them) for her to understand what these men were doing. I'm probably guilty of painting a picture of paedophiles/rapists as being monsters, when actually, as she has found, they are often charming, good looking young men.

Also, check your teens FB friend list, for older males or ones that live outside the area - my daughter's was full of these people. Question if they turn up with new perfume, clothes, even cigarettes - this was one thing I noticed but suspected her and her friends had been shoplifting (now, I wish they had!!). I had lost contact with her friends parents, obviously at 15 year old I no longer stand at the school gates, since speaking to the parents its become apparent that this was happening to all of these girls, not just my daughter. Please, always check where they are. I have been told by the police and social services that these grooming gangs are a huge problem in my area (the north east) - it is unbelievable how they can infiltrate your family and steal your daughter from under your nose. I wish you could all meet my daughter, she's not stupid, yet she believed them?

Sorry for the ridiculously long post; I hope I don't sound patronising, probably most mums do what I stupidly didn't anyways, but if it helps one mum/dad question their teens activities its worth it. These people are scum, please check.

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efeslight · 17/06/2014 11:31

So sorry this has happened to your daughter and family.
I heard an interview in radio 4 a few months ago, with a father whose daughter had gone through something similar.
The father was devastated and had the same problems with police and social services. One social worker had told him, there's nothing we can do if your daughter has chosen to be an underage prostitute. Unbelievable.

mumofthemonsters808 · 17/06/2014 11:34

I'm horrified by your post Lemm, and sorry that your family had to experience this horrendous, vile behaviour. As a Mother of a 12 year old daughter, I'm grateful that you shared this information. During the last six months I've recently loosened some of the apron strings and let my girl have more independence but you've reminded me to never take my eye off the ball.

MuddlingMackem · 17/06/2014 11:38

Could you also PM me with which part of the NE please? We're in the NE too, and although, as I say, my daughter is still too young, no knowing when I could be talking to parents of older girls and warning them if necessary. There are also FB groups I'm a member of and there are plenty of mothers with teenage girls in there who would appreciate a heads up if it's happening in their area.

victrixludorem · 17/06/2014 11:45

OP I am so very sorry for you and your DD. Don't blame yourself - we all have to trust our children at a certain age and you did your best to protect her. Whatever we would like, they will make their own life choices. I know how you feel as I have just discovered that my 17yo DD has been regularly taking drugs. The silly girl wants for nothing and has a fabulous career ahead of her (an offer to Oxbridge if she gets her grades but I fear the last 6 months have ruined her chances). I, too, trusted her. I still feel I have to but do have worries about where she is spending the nights - I feel it would be overstepping my role as parent to check up on her at nearly 18 but half of me worries about exactly your scenario.

I don't understand though why the police were not more interested in this gang. No one person can fight this on their own and the police ought to be doing more than any others. Let me know if there is any way I can help. I would imprison all drug pushers and sexual exploiters in a heartbeat. Please do go ahead with your formal complaint.

lemmein · 17/06/2014 11:46

PM'd ya Muddling.

Anyone running groups for teens, Barnados have some excellent resources for this you might find useful.

www.barnardos.org.uk/cc126b-barnados-lft-englishversion-_web__final_version.pdf

www.barnardos.org.uk/15505_cse_running_from_hate_2l_web.pdf

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lemmein · 17/06/2014 11:51

Sorry to hear about your daughter Vic, what is it with teens that makes them wanna self-destruct so badly? :( I hope she gets through it; I barely recognised my daughter 6 months ago but shes come through it - I hope yours does too.

I am definitely going to pursue it with the police. It won't make any difference to my daughter, its happened and she won't press charges so the scum will carry on doing what they are doing, but it might make a difference to how the police handle situations like this in the future. Its been such a shit 6 months, tore our family apart tbh and we are just starting to get back to normal - it knocks me sick that they are still walking about preying on young girls.

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Aeroflotgirl · 17/06/2014 11:57

My heart goes out to you and your dd Flowers, how awful and scarey. Is your dd receiving any counselling/psychological help! She should, it might help her realise what a danger it's situation she is in, how this is not normal. Tge Police sound as useful as a chocolate teapot, she was raped and they are taking such a backseat uninterested role, but would be tge first on the case if someone dropped a piece of litter, tackled a burglar!

unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 12:04

I think the concept of childrens privacy in the age of the internet needs to be tackled.

Before internet and mobile comms, the only privacy we had was face to face in a room with a door shut. Our children are now free to roam into a private room for a chat with anyone from any part of the world.

OP's experience wouldn't have happened if these boys hadn't been able to 'chat' online or by mobile and groom them. I doubt whether much of it happens face to face and by that time it is too late.

OP I would have thought that at 15 her abusers would have been classed as child abusers and therefore prosecution would be forced? Obvs you know more than me.

It's frightening that the police are not taking this seriously enough.

dexter73 · 17/06/2014 12:05

I can only imagine how awful this must have been for you and your family. There was a grooming gang in Oxford near me that were finally prosecuted last year and it is just horrible reading what happened to those poor girls - BBC report.

SouthernComforts · 17/06/2014 12:07

Sadly this doesn't surprise me in the least. I'm so sorry for what happened to your daughter. These men are scum.

I live near the most infamous case of this. Everybody knew. There were areas of town you just didn't go at night because of the gangs of Asian males in cars with blacked out windows. I've used the taxi firm involved.

Its terrifying that the police seemed so uninterested for so long.

HelpMeGetOutOfHere · 17/06/2014 12:08

what an awful situation, I hope your daughter comes through it all as unscathed as can be and can go on to lead a normal and fulfilling life, and you too lemmein.

My daughter is half your daughters age and we live in the SE, I know this doesn't preclude us from this happening and I really hope that we never have to go through the horrors that your family have had to live through.

It sounds like she has a loving and caring parent/parents who will do anything in their powers to look out for her.

How can we raise awareness to other teenage girls to let them know that this isn't just scaremongering but is happening and that they need to be really careful to find out that people they meet through the internet and other places are really who they say they are? Social media has a lot to answer to, as do these men, who think its ok to abuse young women, who are still underage absolutely disgusting.

lemmein · 17/06/2014 12:10

I'm not sure they can without her making a statement - me saying it doesn't seem to be enough. I suppose these things are difficult to prove anyway and I suppose, in reluctant fairness to the police, (almost) impossible without victim statements.

We were also told not to take her phone off her (which is my usual first line of punishment) because they will just supply her with a secret one. Truly terrifying. Thats why I used the spy app, which created problems in itself, but meant I could intercept them meeting up with her (like that day outside the school).

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unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 12:12

I would say they have plenty of evidence in what happened in the past - she was groomed - that's an offence - does she have to make a statement about that when there are phone messages and disclosures?

unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 12:13

Excuse my bluntness I think I'm as angry as you are about this!

lemmein · 17/06/2014 12:16

In my daughters school because its been such a huge problem Barnados did a roadshow there role-playing different scenarios which seemed to be effective for my daughter - she said she recognised a lot of the behaviours in the role-plays, as did her friends.

Most of the initial contacts my daughter had were face to face, mainly meeting up on high streets, takeaways, etc - then continuing it online too. I do believe they share their details though because she was contacted by men 50+ miles away, in cities where she had been previously invited to by the men she 'knew'.

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HelpMeGetOutOfHere · 17/06/2014 12:18

Can you recommend the app, for the spy phone? I just did a quick search in case I ever need it in the future for my 12yr old ds, but can't find one that does anything other than rough location.

thanks.

Holidayfun · 17/06/2014 12:20

Lemmin, so sorry to hear the terrible time your family has had. Thank you for your post, I think I'm a fairly street wise person but your post, particularly the way you have described your family and your daughter, has made me rethink. I naively did think it was only vulnerable girls that were targeted. I really hope things improve for you all and send you my very best wishes.

thebodylovesspring · 17/06/2014 12:26

Jesus Christ op how bloody awful for you and your family and of course your dd.

I have teen dds and we have always warned them about this but obviously these men are very clever at manipulating girls and avoiding justice.

Surely to God this needs to be tackled head on by the police, children's charities and schools.

Do you think this is seen as too sensitive due to race/cultural issues? Did you get that impression?

lemmein · 17/06/2014 12:28

Unreal, don't apologise, it IS frustrating! I'm not sure, they were just really shit, and written her off as....well, im not even gonna say it, but yeah, shit!

Help - we used www.mspy.com. It has a GPS, records conversations (only what she says though, frustratingly, unless she had them on speakerphone), records texts, FB messages, Whatsapp. You do have to pay though, but in our case was obviously worth it.

Holiday, me too. I thought it happened to girls in care homes, girls who had problems at home....I hate saying that, it sounds like I think thats ok! It happens to anyone. One of the victims at my daughters school was a muslim girl, from a strict muslim family.

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thebodylovesspring · 17/06/2014 12:29

unrealhousewife good points about the mobile and internet.

unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 12:29

I think it's absolutely outrageous that these abusers are still walking free. The Justice system needs to sort this out.

lemmein · 17/06/2014 12:34

I definitely think that thebody, no-one wants to acknowledge it publicly (I'm sure Jack Straw was crucified a few years ago for saying this was an issue?). Most of the men involved with my daughter were of Pakistani origin, and fairly new to the country. That's not to say exploitation only happens amongst these groups, obviously, but when it does, and when the services are aware it's an increasing problem, I fail to see why that can't be acknowledged and tackled?

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unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 12:36

It really is a symptom of how detached we have become from the world our children inhabit. Surely it's high time we ensured that all girls are taught about abuse (properly) in schools - to identify grooming and all the tactics abusers use.

I think what they prey on is the quiet children, not the 'out there' teens, the ones who are less likely to discuss their problems with others. Why don't police understand that? To accuse these girls of being complicit is negligent at worst, brainless at best.

lemmein · 17/06/2014 12:37

Yeah, when I was 15 any abuser would have to ring my landline and get through my mam first!!

One night, when she was grounded, they called her from outside my house and tried to persuade her to leave. They were actually sat outside my house in their car! I phoned the police, gave them the reg number - they said they hadn't committed a crime driving on a public road :(

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ConferencePear · 17/06/2014 12:38

OP I’m so sorry that this happened to your daughter and to you.
My DN was lucky in that she had a narrow escape. Her story may act as something of a warning too. She was in Y9 when she became ‘sweethearts’ with a boy at school. When my brother didn’t like it (he thought she was a bit young) she believed he was being racist.
After a little while the relationship petered out as they do at that age and a large group of his ‘friends’ picketed their house, a very ordinary semi at the end of a cul-de-sac and would not leave. They did disperse though after my brother called the police.
I think the original boy was genuine in his feelings for my niece, but he was under pressure from other people in his community so these things can begin innocently it isn’t all down to girls being attracted by flashy cars and expensive gifts.

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