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Grooming gangs - please check on your teens

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lemmein · 17/06/2014 09:42

I am unsure whether to put this on here, I might get ripped apart for what some might consider 'stating the bleedin' obvious' but I'm going to anyway.

This year my 15 year old daughter came home late (due in at 10 - arrived home at 11:30). She'd told me that she was going to the cinema with her friend. When she didn't arrive home I called her friends parents, her friend had been home all evening. Obviously I panicked. When she eventually arrived home we had a huge row and she admitted she had been out with '2 lads'. I grounded her for being late and lying. The next day she ran away.

I contacted the police who informed me that another girl in her school had been involved with an asian grooming gang; the police found my daughter the same night but referred her to social services because they believed she may have been exploited.

Since that day our lives blew up. That night when she supposedly went to the cinema 2 men had picked her up from my doorstep and took her away for sex. I discovered that she had a private number for a taxi driver who she would call at the top of the road to take her to school (I thought she was getting the bus, as always!). She also admitted that on several occasions when she was supposed to be sleeping at her friends she was actually with these men. On one occasion she had been given drink and drugs, fell asleep, and woke up to a man in his late 20s having sex with her. Obviously we were devastated, and the guilt was overwhelming, I'd failed at protecting her by trusting her word.

The police told me to not ground/punish her because it would make these men more appealing to run to; it was an horrific time, I didn't want her to leave the house knowing she would go straight to them, so I put a 'spy' app on her phone. From this I found that she was still meeting these people, on one occasion I found 2 men sat in a car outside her school, the same 2 men who had taken her that night when she was supposed to be at the cinema. I videoed and confronted them; contacted the police, they said they weren't committing a crime!?! It was becoming difficult to protect her from this gang, and from herself really. She couldn't see what they were doing at all.

I don't want to go into every little detail because I don't want to lose the reason for my writing in such a lengthy post. My daughter doesn't fit the 'stereotype' for the victims of this sort of crime. Me and her dad have been together for 19 years and have a good relationship, she's never witnessed any sort of violence/bullying/intimidation. She's currently doing her GCSEs and is predicted As throughout, even when she ran away she took her school books! She's mostly a confident young girl and up until those months I had a good relationship with her, or so I thought. Obviously I'm not saying that those who DO fit the stereotype are fair game to these scum, I just want to make the point that actually, there is no stereotype.

I had become too relaxed, I had believed she was staying at her friends, I stupidly had stopped checking and just trusted her; something I will regret forever, by not checking I feel I had practically giftwrapped my daughter to these men. They could do what they wanted because they knew she had lied and would feel unable to confide in us.

Please, please, please check where your teens are. I know some might find this patronising and think I'm an idiot for not knowing what was going on under my nose (I still can't believe it, so I understand this) but I genuinely had no reason to suspect anything was wrong. Had she not arrived home late that evening I probably still wouldn't know. These people are clever! they worm there way into your teens lives, offer them free lifts, give them free takeaways, invite them to parties with drink/drugs - they are ruthless. They will even wait outside your home, outside schools! It has taken months of intense work with my daughter, from me and also from social services (who have been brilliant btw, if you suspect this is happening to your child please contact them) for her to understand what these men were doing. I'm probably guilty of painting a picture of paedophiles/rapists as being monsters, when actually, as she has found, they are often charming, good looking young men.

Also, check your teens FB friend list, for older males or ones that live outside the area - my daughter's was full of these people. Question if they turn up with new perfume, clothes, even cigarettes - this was one thing I noticed but suspected her and her friends had been shoplifting (now, I wish they had!!). I had lost contact with her friends parents, obviously at 15 year old I no longer stand at the school gates, since speaking to the parents its become apparent that this was happening to all of these girls, not just my daughter. Please, always check where they are. I have been told by the police and social services that these grooming gangs are a huge problem in my area (the north east) - it is unbelievable how they can infiltrate your family and steal your daughter from under your nose. I wish you could all meet my daughter, she's not stupid, yet she believed them?

Sorry for the ridiculously long post; I hope I don't sound patronising, probably most mums do what I stupidly didn't anyways, but if it helps one mum/dad question their teens activities its worth it. These people are scum, please check.

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HelenHen · 17/06/2014 15:15

Op that is horrific! I hope your daughter rises above! Thank you for sharing

GobbolinoCat · 17/06/2014 16:49

Yes thanks for sharing Lem I am already switched onto this having read similar accounts to yours in the press after the rochdale and all the other stuff came out.

My DD is still too young yet to be exposed but it seems alot more organised than we care as a society to admit, its out in the open now and hopefully people are more vigilant.

Abra1d · 17/06/2014 16:56

It's a great topic but it needs to be teased apart from the race thing.

How does it help potential victims if you can't tell them that, in particular cities, Pakistani men are involved? If you pussyfoot about identifying the group you make it harder for girls to avoid them.

unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 17:00

OK, here we go. Race is NOT an issue in this. Some perpetrators come from some gangs that are predominantly of some race. We don't care who they are, we care that they are paedophiles and continue to access our girls.

Every comment made that brings race or religion into this detracts from the important issue that children are being abused every day. So please don't make them.

curlygiraffe · 17/06/2014 17:04

How can race not be an issue? The gangs are predominantly from one community ffs. Stop trying to gloss over this fact.

gordyslovesheep · 17/06/2014 17:08

OP I am not sure your daughters story is yours to tell to random strangers online - it seems massively invasive of her privacy

We should all be aware of organised abuse - and please don't focus on one ethnic or religious group - you blind yourself to the dangers that way - it happens across the board - because child abuse and sexual exploitation is not restricted to one section of society

The case's I have come across have involved white, black and Asian abusers

NoisyToyHell · 17/06/2014 17:08

Lemmein ... I saw a tv documentary about this, they struggled to pin a crim on these men but in the end they were about to use child trafficking laws as these men swapped with other groups in other areas.

It sounds like similar to what your daughter has been through, perhaps something to look into.

unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 17:08

Sorry OP I shouldn't have mentioned it in the first place. I had hoped people wouldn't start to froth. Let's hope a new campaign can stay focused on the real problem which is a complete failure of the justice system and police to deal with paedophiles and grooming.

thebodylovesspring · 17/06/2014 17:08

I think it's important to report the facts as facts. The gangs involved here are Asian.Thats a fact.

. I have no idea if that is predominantly the case that gangs of paedophiles tend to be Asian rather than loan white paedophiles or it's gangs of white paedophiles acting like this too.

It's not about race/religion. Couldn't give a crap about offending anyone here it's about the facts.

Children need to know the facts so they can recognise the signals and report/avoid the danger.

Not reporting facts is as bad as not reporting at all

RiverTam · 17/06/2014 17:12

I thought that if a crime had been committed it is not up to the victim to 'press charges' - the state (DPP?) will decide whether to or not. Is that not the case with rape and grooming?

What a dreadful story, OP, and thank you for posting, my little girl is only 4 but it makes my blood run cold. A recent TV news article on gangs grooming girls was filmed on the estate at the bottom of my road, not 100 yards away.

Is it worth getting in touch with your MP?

gordyslovesheep · 17/06/2014 17:14

it's also young and old - often the recruiters are older girls who target vulnerable girls in lower school years (often to free themselves from the abuse by finding replacements) - older boys often act as 'boyfriends' taking naked pics and then blackmailing girls (and boys) into abusive situations

It's quiet wide spread and often organised by gangs who also deal in drugs, arms etc - the saying is that drugs can only be sold once ...:(

thebodylovesspring · 17/06/2014 17:15

Great mumsnet campaign though. Hope it takes off.

thebodylovesspring · 17/06/2014 17:17

gordy that's so disturbing. Why won't the police act? Is it as op says lack of evidence or girls prepared to tell?

gordyslovesheep · 17/06/2014 17:19

without evidence they can't - there are things we know about that would turn you stone cold but non of the young people involved will speak about it - it's really difficult

Often the young people targeted are the 'least likable' gobby bolshy kids who have been in an out of care etc and they trust no one in authority

thebodylovesspring · 17/06/2014 17:23

And I suppose these men pretend to care about them, at least in the beginning? I can see why they target vulnerable girls like this, bastards, but the ops dd doesn't fit that category.

Do you think that's because they feel more confident to target more protected girls Iycwim gordy?

Openup41 · 17/06/2014 17:27

I am so sorry. They have taken advantage of your dd's vulnerability. They are disgusting.

You just need to support your dd. Unfortunately she cannot see the wrong these men have done.

As another poster said, at 15 most girls wants to be desired, cool and accepted by their friends. Aged 13/14 at school my peers were already sexually active and their partners were aged 18+. There was a lot of girls being passed around by guys. I did not realise the seriousness of it until years later.

I found myself in two sticky situations as a teen. A guy a few years older than me assumed we were going to sleep together at his cousin's house. There was an old guest bed. I said no and he became annoyed. Thankfully he did not pressure me and I left.

I went to a guy's house and his friend left soon after. His family were out. He left the room several times to speak on his mobile. I felt very uneasy and wondered if the friend/other friends would come back. I pretended I needed something from the shop and found my way to the station. He called later to ask what happened and I lied about losing my way. I had no mobile back then.

parentalunit · 17/06/2014 17:28

I only read up to page 2, but please can this be a Mumsnet campaign.

gordyslovesheep · 17/06/2014 17:28

to be fair to the OP's daughter we don't know who she really is - maybe her mum doesn't either - maybe she's sad, lonely, self harming, desperate to fit in ...they will have fund her weak spot

They often treat the girls like queens to begin with - she may be wanting attention?

Parents should be very aware of their kids having unexplained money, phones, clothes, jewlery etc

fairyfuckwings · 17/06/2014 17:49

I'm so grateful you posted your story when you did.

Only this weekend I found that my 13 year old daughter had an instagram account. She'd posted a photo of herself wearing a playsuit and some bloke she'd never even met commented that she'd "look better if she was smiling". This was a grown man who I'd guess was in his 20s who she'd never met and who was "following" her.

I got her to block him and remove the photo. I've just sat her down and told her about all these poor girls that have been groomed and raped by gangs of men. She thought I was being over dramatic but l can think of no logical reason for a grown man to be "following" a 13 year old girl other than the obvious sinister reasons.

This man was also of Asian appearance, although it was. difficult to say exactly how old he was as he had facial hair and a camera over half his face.

gordyslovesheep · 17/06/2014 17:51

but again - please be aware that she is more likely to be introduced to these men by her female peers

Thistledew · 17/06/2014 17:52

It might be worth getting in touch with the Children's Commissioner who recently did a report on Child Sexual Exploitation in Groups and Gangs.

Ev1lEdna · 17/06/2014 18:14

Thank you for posting your story. It helps us all to be aware. I am so glad you got your daughter back and I hope she fully recovers from it all and learns from it. She is lucky to have parents like you. Don't beat yourself up about not noticing. Yours is a story which reminds us all not to be complacent, this is something which could happen to any of us in this age of technology - a timely reminder to us all.

I too would be behind an awareness campaign on this matter.

firstchoice · 17/06/2014 18:24

I too am horrified by what has happened to your daughter.

She is lucky to have parents like you to watch out for her.

I hope that you continue to keep her safe and that she is able to move past this horrible time.

Thank you for raising awareness.

I'd like to see MN do an awareness raising campaign as I agree with honeybadger, there is far too much tolerance of this by the judicial system - it is not 'pretty girls with older boyfriends' it is orchestrated rape.

thebodylovesspring · 17/06/2014 18:26

Off to talk to my teen dds. Can't communicate too much really can you?

CarpetBagger · 17/06/2014 18:42

It's a great topic but it needs to be teased apart from the race thing

Have they not come and out said now, ie government, the reports into why it wasnt exposed sooner, why no one reacted etc that not making it into a race thing, and identifying these men as Pakistani would only help to perpetuate the problem and drive it under a cloth of stifling PC ness?