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Grooming gangs - please check on your teens

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lemmein · 17/06/2014 09:42

I am unsure whether to put this on here, I might get ripped apart for what some might consider 'stating the bleedin' obvious' but I'm going to anyway.

This year my 15 year old daughter came home late (due in at 10 - arrived home at 11:30). She'd told me that she was going to the cinema with her friend. When she didn't arrive home I called her friends parents, her friend had been home all evening. Obviously I panicked. When she eventually arrived home we had a huge row and she admitted she had been out with '2 lads'. I grounded her for being late and lying. The next day she ran away.

I contacted the police who informed me that another girl in her school had been involved with an asian grooming gang; the police found my daughter the same night but referred her to social services because they believed she may have been exploited.

Since that day our lives blew up. That night when she supposedly went to the cinema 2 men had picked her up from my doorstep and took her away for sex. I discovered that she had a private number for a taxi driver who she would call at the top of the road to take her to school (I thought she was getting the bus, as always!). She also admitted that on several occasions when she was supposed to be sleeping at her friends she was actually with these men. On one occasion she had been given drink and drugs, fell asleep, and woke up to a man in his late 20s having sex with her. Obviously we were devastated, and the guilt was overwhelming, I'd failed at protecting her by trusting her word.

The police told me to not ground/punish her because it would make these men more appealing to run to; it was an horrific time, I didn't want her to leave the house knowing she would go straight to them, so I put a 'spy' app on her phone. From this I found that she was still meeting these people, on one occasion I found 2 men sat in a car outside her school, the same 2 men who had taken her that night when she was supposed to be at the cinema. I videoed and confronted them; contacted the police, they said they weren't committing a crime!?! It was becoming difficult to protect her from this gang, and from herself really. She couldn't see what they were doing at all.

I don't want to go into every little detail because I don't want to lose the reason for my writing in such a lengthy post. My daughter doesn't fit the 'stereotype' for the victims of this sort of crime. Me and her dad have been together for 19 years and have a good relationship, she's never witnessed any sort of violence/bullying/intimidation. She's currently doing her GCSEs and is predicted As throughout, even when she ran away she took her school books! She's mostly a confident young girl and up until those months I had a good relationship with her, or so I thought. Obviously I'm not saying that those who DO fit the stereotype are fair game to these scum, I just want to make the point that actually, there is no stereotype.

I had become too relaxed, I had believed she was staying at her friends, I stupidly had stopped checking and just trusted her; something I will regret forever, by not checking I feel I had practically giftwrapped my daughter to these men. They could do what they wanted because they knew she had lied and would feel unable to confide in us.

Please, please, please check where your teens are. I know some might find this patronising and think I'm an idiot for not knowing what was going on under my nose (I still can't believe it, so I understand this) but I genuinely had no reason to suspect anything was wrong. Had she not arrived home late that evening I probably still wouldn't know. These people are clever! they worm there way into your teens lives, offer them free lifts, give them free takeaways, invite them to parties with drink/drugs - they are ruthless. They will even wait outside your home, outside schools! It has taken months of intense work with my daughter, from me and also from social services (who have been brilliant btw, if you suspect this is happening to your child please contact them) for her to understand what these men were doing. I'm probably guilty of painting a picture of paedophiles/rapists as being monsters, when actually, as she has found, they are often charming, good looking young men.

Also, check your teens FB friend list, for older males or ones that live outside the area - my daughter's was full of these people. Question if they turn up with new perfume, clothes, even cigarettes - this was one thing I noticed but suspected her and her friends had been shoplifting (now, I wish they had!!). I had lost contact with her friends parents, obviously at 15 year old I no longer stand at the school gates, since speaking to the parents its become apparent that this was happening to all of these girls, not just my daughter. Please, always check where they are. I have been told by the police and social services that these grooming gangs are a huge problem in my area (the north east) - it is unbelievable how they can infiltrate your family and steal your daughter from under your nose. I wish you could all meet my daughter, she's not stupid, yet she believed them?

Sorry for the ridiculously long post; I hope I don't sound patronising, probably most mums do what I stupidly didn't anyways, but if it helps one mum/dad question their teens activities its worth it. These people are scum, please check.

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unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 12:42

Sorry I don't think this has anything to do with racial issues. It's to do with adults in positions of responsibility not believing that children can be groomed very easily. It's a combination of squeamishness and shock and inexperience by regular coppers of dealing with this relatively new phenomenon. The laws on grooming have very recently changed (can't remember the detail) so the Justice system may be slowly creaking into gear.

I very much doubt if these men had robbed a bank the police would be standing back being concerned about racial issues. To mix these issues up has caused untold problems in the past and sidetracked people from dealing with the real cause.

thebodylovesspring · 17/06/2014 12:45

Very very worrying op. Have you spoken to your MP? I feel so angry that your dd has been treated this way and that no one seems to want to tackle this head on.

I totally understand that you want to
Protect your dds privacy but radio 5 is an amazing investigative station. Nicki Campbell? You could be anonymous but tell her story and your plight to raise awareness.

thebodylovesspring · 17/06/2014 12:47

unreal yes take your points but there is a general issue amongst ALL men re good girl/bad girl stereotypes. Look at the rape trials?

stooshe · 17/06/2014 12:48

Thanks OP for bringing up this subject. This has been going on from when I was a teen and it happened in my own cultural group. "Big man with Young gyal" syndrome, if you will.
The thing is we should expect the police in the Uk to be more au fait with grooming and coercion of impressionable teens. And you are right , not every teen that this happens to is the "stereotype".
Good luck with your daughter and do not dare do yourself down. Predators take advantage of human nature. That is their forte.

HelpMeGetOutOfHere · 17/06/2014 12:50

thank you for the link, hopefully I will never need it, but nice to know its there in case.

its appalling that he police have been so ineffectual. How does your daughter feel about changing her phone number/facebook/snapchat/whatsapp etc?

unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 12:53

www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2014/04/02/call-to-change-child-grooming-laws/

This is what I was thinking of - calls to close the loophole. This is why they operate in gangs, one makes the call, the other meets them I guess, leaving the police with no evidence.

poorbuthappy · 17/06/2014 12:53

Thank you for posting this. It has certainly opened my eyes.
I think perhaps this type of issue should be the next MN campaign.

lemmein · 17/06/2014 12:54

To be honest, writing all this down has been good for me, and hearing all your responses. This has been our lives for the last 6 months so I sometimes forget how shocking it actually is, especially when the police have treat it like its no big deal. My daughter has come back to us; and recently my other daughter has been really poorly so I've been distracted but writing it down has made the anger flood back :/

Unreal, I'm not sure where the reluctance comes from - it could even be the ever-prevailing mysogony 'shes a young female hanging round takeaways, deserves it - next!!' sort of attitude? I don't know. The police have been very forthcoming in private with us about what a huge issue this currently is, but that doesn't seem to make them take it seriously! sigh, i don't know.

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peggyundercrackers · 17/06/2014 12:57

I cant believe the police keep saying they cant do anything about these people - they are absolute SCUM - I would hate to think what my DH would do if he found that happened to us.

Its also unbelievable that they wont move them on when they are outside your house - just tell police they got out and were holding a knife - the police will soon attend.

Dotty342kids · 17/06/2014 13:01

lemmein can I just say how brave and amazing I think you are, in recognising and supporting your daughter through all of this. I used to work in one of the Barnardo's sexual exploitation projects in Birmingham, around 11yrs ago. It was rife then, and it really saddens me that despite high profile media on this issue, it still is. Those who have well trained social services teams and organisations such as Barnardos in their areas are, and not sure this is the right term, "lucky" as many, many families don't even have this to help them and their children through such awful times.
I'm so glad to hear that you've found a way of getting through this together, that your daughter has remained with you and not ended up even more entrenched in the abuse, and that there is light, for you all, at the end of this.

misscph1973 · 17/06/2014 13:14

Oh, I am so sorry to hear about this, but it sounds like you have dealt with this the best possible way and I am sure you DD will be fine.

The problem is, as you state, that this can literally happen to any young girl, teenagers (as I am sure we all remember!) are so curious, impressionable and gullible! I certainly remember making some pretty bad choices, and also my parents being quite concerned about who I spent my time with. Nothing bad ever happened, but maybe it was just luck!

I will definitely be getting som sort of spy app on my children's phones, when they are old enough to have a phone. It's horrible to have to monitor them, but it's just not worth the risk.

I wish you and your family all the best!

lowcarbforthewin · 17/06/2014 13:22

I just wish we had better sex education in all schools which tackled being manipulated and abused. You are just so vulnerable at that age. So anxious not to be left behind if your peers are confident sexually. So likely to be struggling with self-esteem as you develop into an adult. These men must have their pick of girls really.

It makes me absolutely fume that the police are so ineffective.

worldgonecrazy · 17/06/2014 13:22

Thank you for sharing and I am so glad you are fighting your way through this.

Is this something Mumsnet can get behind - pushing for a change in the law so that groomers can be pulled in by the police?

Actually, if the police were taking it seriously, even if the law wasn't up to date then they could make life awkward for the groomers - checking tax/insurance on the cars, etc but as so many have said, there is almost an expectation that teenage girls will do stupid things with older men because they are teenage girls, not because they have been groomed.

Sister77 · 17/06/2014 13:27

I'm saddened and upset to read this and can't begin to imagine what your going through. I recently attended a talk in a temple from the sikh awareness society, they talk about grooming and it's effects.
They go to schools and places or worship, social clubs etc. Anyone who is concerned or would like to arrange a talk please get in touch with these guys.
They bought home the (white - if it matters) niece of a friend who was in a very similar situation to that if your daughter OP.
What they believe is that these are daughters, sisters, nieces etc and we should protect them.

curlygiraffe · 17/06/2014 13:28

Thank you so much for this!

I hope your dd is ok. I think the police are afraid to act for fear of being accused of being racist. Something has to be done to protect young girls from these vile men.

CatsCantTwerk · 17/06/2014 13:29

Thank You for sharing this, I can only imagine the horror and heartache you must be going through.

I wish you and your family all the best for the future Thanks

CointreauVersial · 17/06/2014 13:30

Oh my goodness, your poor DD. What a nightmare - I sincerely hope you are both heading out of the woods and this will all be in the past soon.

It really struck a chord when you said the police simply saw it as a "lifestyle choice". And that these men don't present as vile monsters, but as plausible, attentive, sometimes attractive men, who shower the girls with treats. On the one hand, she sees flattery, adventure and a nice lifestyle; on the other, boring old mum trying to break her up from her cool friends.......It must have been so difficult not to drive your DD back towards them, and you appear to have handled it so well.

My DD has just turned 13, and this has certainly given me food for thought.

JaceLancs · 17/06/2014 13:33

I have worked with families, whose children/young adults have been victims of such sexual exploitation.

Many local authorities/police or charities have projects around raising awareness of such crimes and supporting families.

Google CROP and sexual exploitation (I am useless at links) for help, hints and such

lemmein · 17/06/2014 13:42

I have to pop out so don't have time to reply to everyone, I will when I get back, but thank you so much for all your kind words, I really appreciate it.

Jace, I just googled CROP and it came up with a FB group that looked interesting www.facebook.com/paceukinfo and I seen an app that sends 'selfies' that your teens take to you which might be helpful for some: www.selfiecop.com/. Thank you.

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TheHoneyBadger · 17/06/2014 13:42

it is awful. the fact that the police see it as no big deal is part of the same problem as these abusers - the general sense that young girls are for fucking and it's normal for men to try. the sad fact is if it had been a 15yo boy i bet those policemen would have seen this as clear criminal activity, as it was a girl they see it as just sex. it's shocking and sounds too simple but the abusers, the police, the judges (when they do ever make it to court) who minimise the behaviour and don't sentence etc etc etc. they're all the same problem.

misscph1973 · 17/06/2014 13:57

worldgonecrazy I was thinking the same, this is definitely something Mumsnet should work on! How do we suggest it?

misscph1973 · 17/06/2014 14:01

Right, I have sent HQ a message, hopefully this thread could be a topic for a Mumsnet awareness campaign.

Thenapoleonofcrime · 17/06/2014 14:12

Thanks for posting, with one pre-teen coming up into teenager years I needed to know about this. It has made me think about internet security, which I am a bit lax on or rather I forget to check about what they are doing- we do have monitoring installed.

How awful for you- but by sharing it with us you have done something really helpful, your points about not stereotyping are excellent- I have seen myself how a young vulnerable girl can be preyed on by older men and how powerless the family is to intervene, even nice families whose children are doing well in school and so on.

unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 14:56

It's a great topic but it needs to be teased apart from the race thing. When it was last in the news the important issue of police taking action to convict these paedophiles was completely overwhelmed by the other issue. This is still going on without enough prosecutions or any kind of justice or training because they're not looking at the real issue - lack of prosecution and prevention.

I just asked dd if anything like that happened at school would she know about it. She said 'well if it was then there would probably have been an assembly about it'. So no info from her school. I'm going to ask her if they've taught them about grooming in PSHE. She's 16.

ItHasANiceRingWhenYouLaugh · 17/06/2014 14:56

I agree, this could be a worthwhile campaign.

Thank you Lem, for posting. Thanks

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