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AIBU?

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to wonder where everyone's money comes from and why we have none?

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 12:52

We are really struggling for money and are in a bit of a mess that we can't get out of. We really struggle to the point where I couldn't take the children for an ice cream with their friends after school this week because I didn't have any money to buy an ice cream. Yet my facebook is full of people eating in cafes, driving places at the weekend, children doing endless after school activities (mine did do gymnastics but have had to stop it, and often can't afford to take the toddler to the childrens centre playgroup because I literally don't have the pound admission). Some of these friends are an a lower income than us / not working...AIBU to think they must be being helped by family, or have savings we don't have, or another source of income?

DH earns about 30,000. To me that is a high wage, it's certainly more than anyone in my family has ever earned, although I appreciate that some people will earn more. I am a SAHM. We have looked at the finances of me working and when we do the sums, with 3 DC (two would need before and after school care, one preschooler would need all day), we can't see how it is financially possible for me to work.

Basically, we moved from the North to the South-East a couple of years ago in order for DH to take up a permanent full time job, which increased his income from 16,000 to 30,000 and gave us the security of a permanent contract. Obviously the cost of living is higher, and we seem to be worse off, along with having much lower tax credits than we did on a lower income.

We have done everything we can to save money. Our rent is 850, which is honestly the lowest we could find in the town where DH works. If we lived further out, we would spend more on travel. I hate the town anyway and wouldn't choose to live here! After bills, council tax, etc, we have about 400 to get through the rest of the month, including food and travel. We shop in Aldi or Lidl, and manage to spend about 55 a week on food, cleaning products and toiletries for the five of us. It is tight, using cheap veg to bulk out meals etc and no treats - especially for the grown ups. We don't use the car unless essential. DH walks forty minutes each way to work, and cycles the children 4 miles each way to school in a bike trailer, except on the mornings when he isn't able to because of work commitments, in which case I get the bus (i can't drive) which costs about 12 in bus fare for me and the children, for 2 return trips (there are complicated reasons why they don't go to school closer to home, involving school admissions and some extra needs, but we're not eligible for help with transport and we just don't have the spare money for me to learn to drive, even though we would save money in the long term because bus fares are extortionate).

We have sold everything of any value, including jewellery I was given for my 21st, things left to me in a will, etc. We don't have a TV or sky subscription. We have never had a holiday, and have only been abile to visit family when they have been kind enough to pay for the travel. All the children's clothes are off ebay, or have been passed on to us by other people. DH and I have holes in our clothes, and I have no shoes, only flip flops. A couple of months ago we had to SORN the car because we couldn't afford the MOT and road tax in one installment. Some months we have run out of money halfway through, and have managed by buying enough cheap food for a budget menu, and dh and I sometimes going without food, especially fruit and veg, in order to save it for the children.

AIBU to think that on the income we have, we really shouldn't be this desperately broke? Am I missing something abiout how everyone else is doing this? We do keep looking out for jobs in cheaper areas but nothing is coming up, and I'm not sure how we'd afford to move unless there was a relocation package.

Please be kind, but genuine suggestions welcome!

OP posts:
AllBoxedUp · 15/06/2014 15:42

Could you tutor at the weekends? What is your degree in? To be honest you sound a bit defeated but I imagine it's really tough looking after 3 kids with a DH who is an academic.

restandpeace · 15/06/2014 15:42

Defintley look into weekend work, i did it while we were in a hole and helped massively.

sanfairyanne · 15/06/2014 15:47

before doing weekend work, consider how it will affect tax credits - whats the point if you just get a similar reduction in tax credits?

Flossyfloof · 15/06/2014 15:50

Obviously the moving thing is something to be discussed but it won't happen in the short term.
I know that you feel the school is best suited to your child's needs but in my experience children with special needs generally cope magnificently in school and in a larger school you may find that they are better able to deal with them. To be spending hours cycling and pounds bussing to school seems ridiculous to me; I would reconsider this, even though I realise that you made an informed choice at the time, this £24 you are spending every week would surely make a fair bit of difference? Is there any possibility of finding someone close by who could collect your children one week while you take them on the bus the next?
Are you very aware of waste? Do you throw away food the minute it gets near its sell by date, even if there is nothing wrong with it? (I am going back to my friend here, who is short of money but chucks perfectly good food away on a daily basis). Do you make sure that you are buying things in the most economical packaging? (ie large toothpaste, solid rather than spray deodorant)? Do you do the old cutting of the tubes in half to get a the last bits, etc?
Have you considered contacting the CAB for support/advice? A friend of mine volunteers for a debt charity. I know you don't mention debt exactly but I am sure that people like that would see you and they do sometimes have information about unusual charities etc that might not advertise.
Talking of charities - have a good look at the school's newsletter for info about FSM and local charities to support students. If you are eligible don't be too proud to apply.

dramaqueen · 15/06/2014 15:51

You don't seem to have answered the question about why you can't work evenings or weekends, OP. Is this possible?

Christwaddle · 15/06/2014 15:51

That sounds very depressing, op :(
Do check you are claiming all you can..there is a benefits checker online if you google it.
Also, I agree about weekend/evening work if it's doable. It can really boost your income and that's the issues really.
You either need to cut down - and I don't honestly see how you can from what you have posted - or increase income.
The other option is move - can your dh look for work in other regions?
You get far more for your money the further north you go...

Flossyfloof · 15/06/2014 15:52

You could perfect your baking/decorating skills and sell cupcakes on Facebook. I am always up for buying a cake. In fact, I am in your neck of the woods at the weekend (Baldock). I will buy some off you!

KirstyJC · 15/06/2014 15:55

Sounds like you are doing really well on what you have. When you did the tax credits calculations, did you look at how much you would be entitled to if you both work and have childcare costs? We both work with 3 children and you get a lot of money towards the childcare, much more that we expected to, and we are significantly better off with both of us working and paying 3 childcare costs than only one of us working with no childcare costs.

Put it in the calculator with some rough childcare costs and an estimated wage for you, and see what you get.

I couldn't believe the difference - can't remember exactly but it was a few hundred a more more even.

If you planning to work soon anyway it is worth a look.

And definitely move back north if you can!

Clarinet9 · 15/06/2014 15:55

Sure Sybil but do you food shop in Next, Superdry, Top Shop, Monsoon FC, Jaeger, Cath Kidston and all sorts of swanky places whose name eludes me now I no longer live there.

Would be mildly sympathetic if it was food shopping (because you had to lug it round town) but it is clothes, clothes, clothes with a few toys and books thrown in

sanfairyanne · 15/06/2014 15:59

when playing around with tax credits, also bear in mind that pension contributions dont count, which means your dh might be able to pay into a pension, thus reducing your income and increasing your tax credits. win-win

ImperialBlether · 15/06/2014 16:00

OP, I hope you don't mind but I've gone onto the Entitled To site and it says you're entitled to over £130 pw tax credits and £61 pw housing benefit. Do you get that?

RainbowsStars · 15/06/2014 16:00

We have c. 2k a month but thanks to tax credits, that and having a tied house where we live rent free. We wouldn't be able to afford what we can if we had to pay rent as well.I don't know how other people manage it, as it is we have no new clothes and scrimp on save on everything other than things for the DCs.

NutellaLawson · 15/06/2014 16:02

Why do you run a car if dh walks to work and you don't drive?

I live in the southeast (2 adults 2 dc) on a single income of 22k, so less than your dh. We have no mortgage, so that is 10,200 per year less to pay you but crucially we don't run a car. We cycle everywhere so I suspect it's the car that is tipping you into poverty.

On top of the 22k gross salary a year we get 40 per week (2000 per year) tax credits so have a net income of about 19k.

Ditch the car of you possibly can. Even occasional taxi rides can work out cheaper than running a car.

LadySybilLikesCake · 15/06/2014 16:05

Next occasionally (once a year for 1 item). I'm not a huge fan of clothes shopping. It literally is food.

wobblyweebles · 15/06/2014 16:08

Look for an evening job op. That's how we got through the years of low pay and small children, and most of my friends did too.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 16:08

No we don't Imperial, I'll be right onto that, thanks so much!

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sanfairyanne · 15/06/2014 16:09

surely, nutella, it is the 10 grand difference between no mortgage/paying rent that makes the difference?
although i agree, yes, the car is an expense it is worth re considering

imo the problem is thinking that miving from 16k to 30k is a move up. no - once tax credits are considered, it is equal or worse if you take into account a move to a more expensive area

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 16:12

drama I have said several times that weekend work will be possible and I'll get looking! Evening work more difficult because of not being able to drive home, but if I can make it work I'll certainly do it. I'd rather do that anyway and have a parent at home with them than work daytimes.

I did try ringing tax credits and didn't think I'd be entitled to any help with childcare with the figures I gave but I will make another enquiry.

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restandpeace · 15/06/2014 16:13

To answer your orginal op... Help from family, cash in hand work, dodgy work, credit, bought property years ago at the right time etc

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 16:13

It would be difficult without car Nigella, we wouldn't be able to get to aldi to go shopping for a start, and it really isn't easy not being able to drive round here - where we lived before public transport was quite good, I think bus fares would be more expensive overall than keeping the car for occasional trips.

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 16:14

We do have mobile phone contracts and I think they might be the thing to go - pay as you go and minimal use might be a way of saving a few quid.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 15/06/2014 16:16

OP... What size are you and what size shoes? I haven't got any men's stuff but I have stuff I don't wear/have never worn - destined for charity shop - that I would happily send you.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 16:17

My degree and PGDip are in Social Sciences. I worked for a mental health charity before having dc3, which is when i stopped work. I also did some academic support work (mentoring students with disabilities or extra needs) on the side. I've done healthcare assistant work before my degree, I wondered about working as an HCA on the nursing bank at weekends?

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sanfairyanne · 15/06/2014 16:18

does that 'entitledto' website work accurately?
it said that a 2 child family on 22k would get £84 a week, not £40
just wondering really. maybe it is not v accurate?

Laquitar · 15/06/2014 16:26

Clarinet
They might be nurses on night shifts, night security staff, self employed, or on their day off like you.
Unless you see the same people every day.

On a similar note and back to OP i dont mean this to be harsh but you spend energy trying to work out other people's expenses when you don't know your own!! How come you dont know your monthly outgoings, this always puzzles me on this kind of threads.