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AIBU?

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to wonder where everyone's money comes from and why we have none?

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 12:52

We are really struggling for money and are in a bit of a mess that we can't get out of. We really struggle to the point where I couldn't take the children for an ice cream with their friends after school this week because I didn't have any money to buy an ice cream. Yet my facebook is full of people eating in cafes, driving places at the weekend, children doing endless after school activities (mine did do gymnastics but have had to stop it, and often can't afford to take the toddler to the childrens centre playgroup because I literally don't have the pound admission). Some of these friends are an a lower income than us / not working...AIBU to think they must be being helped by family, or have savings we don't have, or another source of income?

DH earns about 30,000. To me that is a high wage, it's certainly more than anyone in my family has ever earned, although I appreciate that some people will earn more. I am a SAHM. We have looked at the finances of me working and when we do the sums, with 3 DC (two would need before and after school care, one preschooler would need all day), we can't see how it is financially possible for me to work.

Basically, we moved from the North to the South-East a couple of years ago in order for DH to take up a permanent full time job, which increased his income from 16,000 to 30,000 and gave us the security of a permanent contract. Obviously the cost of living is higher, and we seem to be worse off, along with having much lower tax credits than we did on a lower income.

We have done everything we can to save money. Our rent is 850, which is honestly the lowest we could find in the town where DH works. If we lived further out, we would spend more on travel. I hate the town anyway and wouldn't choose to live here! After bills, council tax, etc, we have about 400 to get through the rest of the month, including food and travel. We shop in Aldi or Lidl, and manage to spend about 55 a week on food, cleaning products and toiletries for the five of us. It is tight, using cheap veg to bulk out meals etc and no treats - especially for the grown ups. We don't use the car unless essential. DH walks forty minutes each way to work, and cycles the children 4 miles each way to school in a bike trailer, except on the mornings when he isn't able to because of work commitments, in which case I get the bus (i can't drive) which costs about 12 in bus fare for me and the children, for 2 return trips (there are complicated reasons why they don't go to school closer to home, involving school admissions and some extra needs, but we're not eligible for help with transport and we just don't have the spare money for me to learn to drive, even though we would save money in the long term because bus fares are extortionate).

We have sold everything of any value, including jewellery I was given for my 21st, things left to me in a will, etc. We don't have a TV or sky subscription. We have never had a holiday, and have only been abile to visit family when they have been kind enough to pay for the travel. All the children's clothes are off ebay, or have been passed on to us by other people. DH and I have holes in our clothes, and I have no shoes, only flip flops. A couple of months ago we had to SORN the car because we couldn't afford the MOT and road tax in one installment. Some months we have run out of money halfway through, and have managed by buying enough cheap food for a budget menu, and dh and I sometimes going without food, especially fruit and veg, in order to save it for the children.

AIBU to think that on the income we have, we really shouldn't be this desperately broke? Am I missing something abiout how everyone else is doing this? We do keep looking out for jobs in cheaper areas but nothing is coming up, and I'm not sure how we'd afford to move unless there was a relocation package.

Please be kind, but genuine suggestions welcome!

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nowwearefour · 15/06/2014 13:20

Living in the SE £30k is v v little for 5 people. So I am not at all surprised you are finding things so tight. You sound amazing. Like you are just doing so well. It will get easier when your docs get bigger

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 13:21

The problem with DH teaching me to drive is that we don't have anyone we could ask to stay with the children.

Yes, I know I'll still need childcare when the dc are all at school, but think I could then earn enough to make it worthwhile as we wouldn't need childcare all day. Yes, I've worked out the cost of childcare vs my earnings, and sadly it doesn't cover childcare. I'd rather be there when they get home from school, but obviously not at this cost. I think if we moved back home it would be possible for me to wok part time as we'd have family help with childcare, not necessarily full time but to do school pick ups and look after til i got home, etc.

DH can't really work evenings or weekends as he brings so much work home, he is usually working all evening anyway - I can definitely look into weekend jobs though. You're right that we do want to see each other but needs must and hopefully at some point we'll be able to move back home.

Training to be a childminder has occured to me - I couldn't really do school pick ups here without a car but could hopefully still find work. I'm worried about the set up costs as we don't really have anything spare, and can't borrow anything from the bank, we've tried.

Agree that the only answer is earning more money - we went through all our income and outgoings with the bank this week, and we're spending way less than the Government say we should be expected to live on.

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 13:22

Thanks dixiechick, I'm looking at that online now, I wasn't aware of it.

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BertieBotts · 15/06/2014 13:24

Did you have DC young? I only ask because I often feel amazed that people seem to have so much more money than us, between DH and I we earn what I feel is a good wage but other people seem to have so much more disposable (and non disposable!) income.

Was moaning a bit to DH about it and he said it's because I'm comparing us (mid 20s) to people in their 30s and 40s, who in their mid 20s didn't have children, so (a) could earn more than we are currently earning, and (b) could save because they didn't have anywhere near as high outgoings, as they weren't paying for childcare, bigger house, children's food/clothing/school trips etc. Not only are they further up the career ladder than we are, they were able to put more aside at the lower levels whereas we are treading water and have only just started to earn enough to save anything.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 13:26

I'd be up for moving back with the DC - dh thinks it would be even more expensive, time to do those sums properly! And then wonder how we lay our hands on money for deposit etc in order to move!!

it'sjustmeagain, our rent where we lived before we moved was 550pcm, looking on rightmove we could rent in the same area for similar price. Bus fares so so much lower too.

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Stripyhoglets · 15/06/2014 13:28

Move north again as soon as your DH can find a job up there. It's the rent that's the problem where you are. I moved north from the southeast before kids and manage fine on much less as housing costs are so much lower.

Longtalljosie · 15/06/2014 13:28

I think cleaning / ironing's definitely the way forward. You can iron in the evening (and if your DH is any good at it he can do some of it too) and cleaning - you can charge £10/hour and get in 3-4 clients on a Saturday with no childcare costs; for the week you'll be paying £6/hr for a CM so you'll only clear £4/hr gross but it's still worth it...

Laquitar · 15/06/2014 13:28

I am not sure you can do childminding in rented house? Your landlord will have to agree.

You can be nanny with own child thou. You work in other peoples house and you charge less because you take your youngest with you.

MooncupGoddess · 15/06/2014 13:29

Have you looked at the Up Your Income board on the moneysavingexpert site? There are lots of ideas there for earning small amounts of money from home or at evenings/weekends - surveys, consumer panels, leaflet delivery, offering ironing/gardening/dog-walking services etc. It's mostly hard work and ill paid but it sounds like earning an extra 100 or 200 per month would really make a difference for you.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 13:29

Not particularly young, bertiebotts (me late twenties when I had the first, dh late thirties), but we both went to uni as mature students for different reasons, so yes, before our careers were established - that's probably a big factor.

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bigkidsdidit · 15/06/2014 13:29

Is the south east so expensive tht on 30k, with no childcare, you don't have £1 spare for a toddler group?? Bloody hell.

If you're from the northeast could your DH commute from there to work in Scotland? Lots of academic work up here?

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 13:29

Well done OP for getting through this as you do, and well done to DH for walking and biking the children to school.

Can you get on the local housing list? You might be lucky and this could give you a break.

What's your total income and what are your bills?

LadySybilLikesCake · 15/06/2014 13:31

They would pay you a little more if you could repair buttons/zips/hems and whatnot for them Smile It's a dying art. Are you good at making cakes? You could do this too.

WiIdfire · 15/06/2014 13:31

The bus fare seems to be a big problem - any reason you couldn't cycle the kids to school in the trailer like your husband does? Extra exercise for you as well!

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 13:32

The only reason wildfire is that I can't get 3 children in the bike trailer!

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JsOtherHalf · 15/06/2014 13:35

Family fund no longer do driving lessons :(

They will also usually only help a family whose income entitles them to means tested benefits.
www.familyfund.org.uk/grants/who-we-help

Cerebra is an excellent charity for children with a neurological issue, including learning disability, autism, etc.
www.cerebra.org.uk/English/Pages/home.aspx

overthemill · 15/06/2014 13:36

Can you get DLA reviewed - you don't say what the special needs are but if you could get middle rate DLA you would increase that AND get carers allowance worth about £250 a month extra for you. If you don't feel confident to do that see if local county council have welfare rights service of local CAB can help.

Otherwise - could you use the bike? That's a huge outlay on bus fares.

Otherwise if DLA not possible yes try as a childminder. In SE I think you'd always get work. Or special needs babysitting - always lots of need at weekends or evenings when your DH is home. Not ideal but could get you out of tight spot temporarily.

Good luck - we've been there and took ages to get ourselves straight again.

sanfairyanne · 15/06/2014 13:46

it is probably just that on 16k it was topped up with tax credits to about the same as 30k after tax (is that maybe around 22k or a bit less pa once you pay pension, tax and ni?)

specialsubject · 15/06/2014 13:49

driving lessons are fairly pointless if you can't afford to run a car!

it is tight to live on that in the SE. Any scope for reducing utility bills?

JsOtherHalf · 15/06/2014 13:52

Would it be worth looking at a different bike? One that can handle 3 children?

www.kidsandfamilycycles.co.uk/page50.html

Babyroobs · 15/06/2014 13:52

I wouls look for work which fits around your DH's work assuming he works fairly regular hours. My DH earns a similar amount ot yours and we have 4 kids. I have always worked evenings/ nights/ weekends around him to avoid paying a lot of childcare. Without my wages we would be massively struggling. £30k in the South East isn't enough for a family of 5 unless you have very low outgoings.

TheHappyCamper · 15/06/2014 13:53

I think you're coping amazingly well. Well done to you both.

Would there be any parents at the dc's school who could drop off and pick them up for you? Even if you paid them a little, it would surely be cheaper than £12 a day on the bus? Or a neighbour who would watch your toddler while you cycled to pick the older ones up?

You are right though, that wage up here in Yorkshire is MORE than enough.

Trapper · 15/06/2014 13:54

Reducing outgoings is not the answer - you need to increase your income IMO. Your partner needs to look at his earning potential - the market has improved recently, so it may be worth him taking a look around, updating his cv and seeing if he could increase his income. You need to ensure you are getting 100% of the benefits you are entitled to. Finally, look at options for building your own income. Childcare is the obvious one, but you may have other skills that you can use to bring in a regular income. There used to be a thread on here for SAHP building up to being self employed (they had a target of £1k/month I think). You could also try the forums over at moneysavingsexpert - they will go through your finances with a fine tooth comb and you will find plenty of fellow scrimpers! Best of luck.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 15/06/2014 13:54

You have my sympathies and, like everyone else, I actually think you are doing really well with the money you have already. I can't see anywhere for you to make savings except for the bus fare - but there is no easy solution to that one!

We have a very similar income to you, but live in the midlands. We manage OK, but 'big' bills (car repair etc.) can leave us on beans for the rest of the month. Your rent, whilst probably very reasonable for the SE, is huge - we pay £450 per month here, and that extra £400 per month is probably the difference between us being comfortable and you being skint Sad.

You say that you live in the town where DH works. As he is the one that can drive, would it be an option to move to wherever the DCs school is? Would that be any cheaper for you? It would save you bus fares at least and even if DH had to use the car for work, it would probably be worth it if the rent was less?

phantomnamechanger · 15/06/2014 13:56

what will happen when the kids are bigger or all 3 are at school and you cant use the bike trailer?

I sympathise - we moved down south 14 years ago and the differences are incredible. We are also a family of 5 and DH earns almost twice what you have coming in. We have one telly, do not take foreign holidays, have one bog standard cheap to run car and DH cycles to work. I also work part time to cover extras like music lessons. I earn about £7K a year.

What I have learned though is that the friends we see having exotic holidays 3 times year, the latest phone/computer game, trendy clothes for their DC, expensive hair do's and always eating out/going to formal balls, necking back the wine every night etc, are actually very much in debt. So don't envy those who appear better off on the outside, they may just not be very sensible with money! I know one couple with 2 DC and £30K of debt on credit and store cards and hire purchase. Their home is immaculate - regular changes of colour scheme and accessories but none of it actually paid for! I could not live like that, I would rather have one poxy small TV, a lumpy sofa and peeling paint!

I do think you need to find some way of boosting your income. Without a car that's going to be hard. Things you can do from home - bettaware catalogue? pampered chef parties? (one friend of a friend does this 3 nights a week and makes plenty of money on it). Have you a skill like knitting/sewing/curtain making?