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to wonder where everyone's money comes from and why we have none?

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 12:52

We are really struggling for money and are in a bit of a mess that we can't get out of. We really struggle to the point where I couldn't take the children for an ice cream with their friends after school this week because I didn't have any money to buy an ice cream. Yet my facebook is full of people eating in cafes, driving places at the weekend, children doing endless after school activities (mine did do gymnastics but have had to stop it, and often can't afford to take the toddler to the childrens centre playgroup because I literally don't have the pound admission). Some of these friends are an a lower income than us / not working...AIBU to think they must be being helped by family, or have savings we don't have, or another source of income?

DH earns about 30,000. To me that is a high wage, it's certainly more than anyone in my family has ever earned, although I appreciate that some people will earn more. I am a SAHM. We have looked at the finances of me working and when we do the sums, with 3 DC (two would need before and after school care, one preschooler would need all day), we can't see how it is financially possible for me to work.

Basically, we moved from the North to the South-East a couple of years ago in order for DH to take up a permanent full time job, which increased his income from 16,000 to 30,000 and gave us the security of a permanent contract. Obviously the cost of living is higher, and we seem to be worse off, along with having much lower tax credits than we did on a lower income.

We have done everything we can to save money. Our rent is 850, which is honestly the lowest we could find in the town where DH works. If we lived further out, we would spend more on travel. I hate the town anyway and wouldn't choose to live here! After bills, council tax, etc, we have about 400 to get through the rest of the month, including food and travel. We shop in Aldi or Lidl, and manage to spend about 55 a week on food, cleaning products and toiletries for the five of us. It is tight, using cheap veg to bulk out meals etc and no treats - especially for the grown ups. We don't use the car unless essential. DH walks forty minutes each way to work, and cycles the children 4 miles each way to school in a bike trailer, except on the mornings when he isn't able to because of work commitments, in which case I get the bus (i can't drive) which costs about 12 in bus fare for me and the children, for 2 return trips (there are complicated reasons why they don't go to school closer to home, involving school admissions and some extra needs, but we're not eligible for help with transport and we just don't have the spare money for me to learn to drive, even though we would save money in the long term because bus fares are extortionate).

We have sold everything of any value, including jewellery I was given for my 21st, things left to me in a will, etc. We don't have a TV or sky subscription. We have never had a holiday, and have only been abile to visit family when they have been kind enough to pay for the travel. All the children's clothes are off ebay, or have been passed on to us by other people. DH and I have holes in our clothes, and I have no shoes, only flip flops. A couple of months ago we had to SORN the car because we couldn't afford the MOT and road tax in one installment. Some months we have run out of money halfway through, and have managed by buying enough cheap food for a budget menu, and dh and I sometimes going without food, especially fruit and veg, in order to save it for the children.

AIBU to think that on the income we have, we really shouldn't be this desperately broke? Am I missing something abiout how everyone else is doing this? We do keep looking out for jobs in cheaper areas but nothing is coming up, and I'm not sure how we'd afford to move unless there was a relocation package.

Please be kind, but genuine suggestions welcome!

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PossumPoo · 15/06/2014 14:00

OP you are doing really well as £30,0000 for SE is not a lot to live off. Cant offer any more practical advice as you've had some good ideas here but I personally would second moving back up north and your DH commuting. You dont say where in the SE you are but is that possible?

zoemaguire · 15/06/2014 14:05

Haven't read thread, but on days when dh doesn't cycle, could you not cycle instead? Cycling with 3 not easy but doable - two in trailer one on bike seat, oldest cycling alone and two in trailer, for instance. In September I will have one 6yo cycling by herself, one 4yo on tag along and one 7mo in bike seat, saving about 50 quid a week in bus fares. seems that not spending all that money on bus fares would make a big difference to not having a spare pound for toddler group/ice creams etc.

Laquitar · 15/06/2014 14:05

How much is 30K in nett per week and what is on top i.e. cb etc?

Messygirl · 15/06/2014 14:12

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unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 14:13

Most people I know rarely take foreign holidays, find a nice regular uk place and it works out much cheaper. Invest in a caravan or camper van and you will really save.

I know one woman who posts several times a year from exotic locations but nobody likes her much.

Agree that most of these people live off debt.

Viviennemary · 15/06/2014 14:13

It's not a high wage to bring up 3 children and pay rent of £850 a month. It would be a struggle for most people IMHO. But I'm quite willing to be proved wrong. I think you will have to find ways to increase your income by the suggestions given. Doing ironing, taking a job when your DH isn't at work and so on. These days not many people can afford to have a non earning parent unless the other parent is quite a high earner.

kazzawazzawoo · 15/06/2014 14:19

I know a lot of this has been said already, but when dd was younger I put ads in local shops and free sheets, advertising myself as a cleaner, taking in ironing, dog walking, babysitting. I also did 6 months of delivering Betterware catalogues (no initial outlay). This way I was usually able to earn an extra £200 or so a month, but it was hard work.

KeatsiePie · 15/06/2014 14:20

You're obviously doing everything you can with what you earn, and ime. it is really hard to be that disciplined and careful, so I hope you are proud of it. I'm married to a former academic, I get how essential it was for your DH to take his job, and I hope he gets a good offer in a cheaper area before long.

I'm on another thread where people have been talking about grading student papers for extra income, perhaps that would be something you could do?

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 14:20

Per month dh gets 1,860 after tax. He has opted out of his pension scheme, which makes my blood run cold. Was meant to be a short term measure! Child Benefit is 184 per month and DLA is 21.55 per week.

I don't have a bike, but could do my best to ride DH's - am not a good cyclist and don't feel v safe, but I'd give it a good go if I could. Buying a new bike isn't really an option as I don't know where we'd find the initial outlay. Hoping that by the time dc3 starts school we will have moved! The route isn't suitable for the dc to cycle, and they can't ride a bike without stabiliers yet anyway.

It would be more convenient to live in the village where dc go to school but unfortunately rent is more expensive. The town we live in now isn't very desirable (begins with an L and rhymes with futon!). If we moved, dh says he would still cycle to work. But finding the cash to move is looking pretty impossible even if it would solve the problem - rent, a month in advance, agency fees...we can't borrow money from the bank, as have tried.

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HappyMummyOfOne · 15/06/2014 14:21

Having three children and an adult not working is a huge luxury, maybe others have different ideas re their wants.

You could work around your husbands hours and do nights or weekends if you don't want to pay for childcare.

BertieBotts · 15/06/2014 14:32

Is it possible to have a child's bike seat AND a trailer? Not sure how that works.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 14:34

It's not really don't want to pay for childcare, happymummy, more being unable to. We were ok without me working before we moved - by no measn well off and we didn't have luxuries, but prioritised me being at home and managed fine. It just isn't workable here though, people are right, I don't think it's possible to be a sahp here without a very high single earner. I'm not sure how I could work nights and then be awake all day looking after the pre-schooler...but weekends is definitely something I could do, as are the ironing and cleaning suggestions. I can bake and decorate cakes (have made a wedding cake once) but the requirements to do it as a business are pretty strict, involving separate facilities etc.

I don't think we're allowed to sub-let a room (could move all dc in together if necessary) but will look into that too.

I think that if we moved back we would spend a LOT on dh's commute to come home at weekends - train fare is about 70 return - probably less if tickets bought in advance though? Plus somewhere for him to stay would be at least 200 a month (that would be very lucky) I would prefer that option to staying here but he doesn't - I'm pushing it though.

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ethelb · 15/06/2014 14:34

If I'm honest thinking having one adult not working in the SE on a £30K salary was very naive. Sorry. It is just not the norm as this thread shows.

I think that some people living outside of the SE have little idea of just how much it costs and how much is negotiable (hence all of the "I would feel rich beyond my wildest dreams if I was on £27K like Jack Monroe" threads) to the point of deluding themselves a bit that the grass is necessarily greener down south.

Particuarly with rent, I beleive you that £850 is as low as you can go and moving out further would cost you more in travel, but some wont.

My DP and I are native to the SE and could live on just over a third to a half what we do in London in parts of the North and are looking at moving long term.

Can you move back north?

JsOtherHalf · 15/06/2014 14:35

Do run your financial details through the entitled to site, sometimes things get missed?

www.entitledto.co.uk

LadySybilLikesCake · 15/06/2014 14:37

It's very difficult trying to find childcare for a child with SN. Working from home is the only way. Can you type? There's loads of web sites (look at people per hour) where you can 'sell' your typing skills etc. If you're a cottage industry there's different regs, so it may help to do some research (try starting a thread on here Smile). I don't think you need separate facilities.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 14:38

Not sure bertiebott - dh finds the cycle a struggle with the trailer and he is pretty fit, and I'm a shit cyclist! definitely worth considering though.

Thanks for all helpful replies, it feels like a bit of a trap we can't get out of, and i do regret our joint decision for DH to take this job, although not taking it would undoubtedly have been the end of any academic career, which is what he's been working for since before he met me. I pretty much hate it here though as well as having no money!

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kazzawazzawoo · 15/06/2014 14:41

We both work, live in the north east, have one dependent child and no childcare costs and still don't have money left over. Life is expensive these days. I know lots of people who go abroad several times a year, but they have paid off their mortgages or their parents have properties abroad they holiday in. I don't think we will ever pay off our mortgage Shock We bought when house prices were at their highest.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 14:43

Yes, moving back North is the ideal scenario - it can't come soon enough for me!

Naive maybe! I have a friend locally who has 4 dc, works from home part time and dh earns half what mine does - their children do gym, swimming lessons, cubs, they drive everywhere, she goes on holiday - I think they must have help from family or it just wouldn't be do-able.

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MaryWestmacott · 15/06/2014 14:44

3DCs in the South East on only £30k, it's going to be tough. SE living costs are huge, can you suck up the costs for a year and then start looking back up north now your DH has some more experience?

You will need to up your income, ironing, cleaning, babysitting are all good ideas.

Is there any way your DH can up his income? Tutoring GCSE and A Level students? Marking for GCSEs and A levels.

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 14:44

It really depends what your net income is and your essential outgoings.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 14:46

You're right kazza life is definitely expensive! I'm not expecting anything like foreign holidays, just not to have to say no to going for an ice cream with friends because I haven't got the money to buy ice cream, or being able to put petrol in the car to go out for the day somewhere free!

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TheSydenhamSet · 15/06/2014 14:53

Have you applied for housing benefit to help with your rent? You might be surprised to find you're entitled to some help.

CremeEggThief · 15/06/2014 14:53

I don't think £30000 is enough for you to live back up north and your DH to stay in the south and travel up every weekend or every other weekend. Plus it would place you under tremendous strain, being on your own with three DC with SEN most of the time.

I know you say the village is more expensive for rent, but could those expensive bus fares even things up a bit?

Would letting a room to a student, possibly exchange or
language students, be an option?

DrCoconut · 15/06/2014 14:55

If the OP's DH is a lecturer the likelihood is he's already working flat out and won't be able to take on more work. Would tax credits fund any child care if you were to get a job? Before DH was a student we were on £32k and got some help (2 DC, one on DLA). I realise that finding suitable childcare in the first place may be an issue but possibly the finances wouldn't be as bad as you think?

caroldecker · 15/06/2014 14:56

There are a number of 2 bed places to rent for less than £600/month here