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AIBU?

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to wonder where everyone's money comes from and why we have none?

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 12:52

We are really struggling for money and are in a bit of a mess that we can't get out of. We really struggle to the point where I couldn't take the children for an ice cream with their friends after school this week because I didn't have any money to buy an ice cream. Yet my facebook is full of people eating in cafes, driving places at the weekend, children doing endless after school activities (mine did do gymnastics but have had to stop it, and often can't afford to take the toddler to the childrens centre playgroup because I literally don't have the pound admission). Some of these friends are an a lower income than us / not working...AIBU to think they must be being helped by family, or have savings we don't have, or another source of income?

DH earns about 30,000. To me that is a high wage, it's certainly more than anyone in my family has ever earned, although I appreciate that some people will earn more. I am a SAHM. We have looked at the finances of me working and when we do the sums, with 3 DC (two would need before and after school care, one preschooler would need all day), we can't see how it is financially possible for me to work.

Basically, we moved from the North to the South-East a couple of years ago in order for DH to take up a permanent full time job, which increased his income from 16,000 to 30,000 and gave us the security of a permanent contract. Obviously the cost of living is higher, and we seem to be worse off, along with having much lower tax credits than we did on a lower income.

We have done everything we can to save money. Our rent is 850, which is honestly the lowest we could find in the town where DH works. If we lived further out, we would spend more on travel. I hate the town anyway and wouldn't choose to live here! After bills, council tax, etc, we have about 400 to get through the rest of the month, including food and travel. We shop in Aldi or Lidl, and manage to spend about 55 a week on food, cleaning products and toiletries for the five of us. It is tight, using cheap veg to bulk out meals etc and no treats - especially for the grown ups. We don't use the car unless essential. DH walks forty minutes each way to work, and cycles the children 4 miles each way to school in a bike trailer, except on the mornings when he isn't able to because of work commitments, in which case I get the bus (i can't drive) which costs about 12 in bus fare for me and the children, for 2 return trips (there are complicated reasons why they don't go to school closer to home, involving school admissions and some extra needs, but we're not eligible for help with transport and we just don't have the spare money for me to learn to drive, even though we would save money in the long term because bus fares are extortionate).

We have sold everything of any value, including jewellery I was given for my 21st, things left to me in a will, etc. We don't have a TV or sky subscription. We have never had a holiday, and have only been abile to visit family when they have been kind enough to pay for the travel. All the children's clothes are off ebay, or have been passed on to us by other people. DH and I have holes in our clothes, and I have no shoes, only flip flops. A couple of months ago we had to SORN the car because we couldn't afford the MOT and road tax in one installment. Some months we have run out of money halfway through, and have managed by buying enough cheap food for a budget menu, and dh and I sometimes going without food, especially fruit and veg, in order to save it for the children.

AIBU to think that on the income we have, we really shouldn't be this desperately broke? Am I missing something abiout how everyone else is doing this? We do keep looking out for jobs in cheaper areas but nothing is coming up, and I'm not sure how we'd afford to move unless there was a relocation package.

Please be kind, but genuine suggestions welcome!

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 16:36

Because I'm one of those women who always get flamed on here for letting DH take care of all the bills, laquitar!! No, I don't spend time trying to work out other people's expenses, it just makes me wonder "how on earth..." when I see how much they do, and know what they earn, or that they don't work, etc!

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Laquitar · 15/06/2014 16:43

I know.i sometimes begin to do that too but then i stop myself. Honestly there is no point and as others have said your friends might use credit. Nothing to envy, better to focus on your own bills. If your situation is so bad that you dont even eat well then you need extra cash pronto so i hope that you check again if you are entitled to anything and/or find a weekend job.

overthemill · 15/06/2014 16:47

Now I know where you live I see your dilemma re biking and moving to village. I would think you could find childminding babysitting cleaning work . I live in a village not that far from you and I would love a cleaner!

Barefootgirl · 15/06/2014 16:51

Suggesting care work is hopeless if the OP doesnt drive, I think. OP, given the town you've mentioned, what about the airport? There are often night/weekend jobs there, not exciting or glamorous (aeroplane cleaner jobs come up a lot), but at least its some money rather than no money. I live about 12 miles away from you, your DH could lodge with us if you do end up moving back up north!!!

Actually, thinking about it, I'll PM you.

midnightagents · 15/06/2014 16:53

I think it depends where you live etc what priorities are. We don't drive so that cuts many costs, spend approx £40 a week on groceries for the 3 of us. Main expenditure is rent and bills but we get tax credits (still nowhere near the tune of 30 grand though). We spend a lot on birthdays, but spread the cost through the 6 months before. We normally seem to have a bit left over for treats such as clothes (from primark), books, games, sweets, ice-cream, take away but I'm not sure why really. We're not that careful but normally buy on the cheap end. Don't spend anything on the flat in terms of up keep. Normally we have two really tight beans on toast months a year but the rest fine. I hope you check if you're entitled to any help. It's miserable to have to watch every penny.

MotherOfInsomniacToddlers · 15/06/2014 16:54

Maybe re-consider the car? Seems it's rarely used, we just did 9 months without a car with 2 children under 3. We figured it was a luxury and as we cycled to work and had a trailer it worked ok, I got all my shopping delivered. It was only annoying very rarely, (I'm new to the area and found it limiting sometimes trying to make friends) but as you don't drive you are really halfway there with living without a car. Plus us get some money for selling it?

MotherOfInsomniacToddlers · 15/06/2014 16:55
  • you'd get some money
Barefootgirl · 15/06/2014 17:03

If you live 4 miles from school, why don't you get help with transport?

www.gov.uk/free-school-transport

This suggests that you should get it. You also need to double and triple check what benefits you are entitled to - i am sure you should be getting some tax credits at the very least. Can your DH do some tutoring in the evenings, and can you possibly do some childminding?

LizLimone · 15/06/2014 17:07

It doesn't surprise me at all that you are struggling on a household income of 30k with 3 children. That's really not a lot of money and being a SAHM is a huge luxury in this day and age. What career were you in before having your children? Did you earn much? I think it would be worth your while going back to work, biting the bullet on childcare costs for a couple of years and then you will reap the rewards later when all your DC are in school.

You seem really averse to working outside the home. Understandable if you could afford that option but you can't. Sure in the short term WOH won't help you because of childcare costs but long term you'll all be better off.

I say that as someone who has been on a career break for 3 years due to DH relocating abroad for career. I am due DC 2 soon and hope to restart my career as soon as I can afterwards. Childcare costs will be eye-watering for a couple of years but in the long term it will help to safeguard our financial future. What if your DH got laid off this year? You have no back up at all in your current situation. I think you are both being naive and idealistic about your life choices. I know people on double your DH's salary who struggle in the SE with 3DC. My SIL was a confirmed SAHM , didn't want to work outsider the home while DC were young etc but with 3DC and cost of living rises, even she has had to set up a home-based baking business to bring some money in. Her DH earns at least 60k, possibly more. It's just not realistic to live on one wage these days.

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 17:11

Penniless thanks to Imperial you are already £190 a month better off. How will you spend it?

Don't panic about getting work, you've got a lot on your plate already.

melissa83 · 15/06/2014 17:16

We have a mortgage in south but not se and have more than enough on 30k. Its more expensive in SE so definitely think you should move

MooncupGoddess · 15/06/2014 17:16

Have you checked out local car clubs? Much cheaper if you're only using the car for shopping trips etc.

wobblyweebles · 15/06/2014 17:16

I thibk McDonald's pay for taxis home if you work past a certain time, plus the evening pay is higher than daytime pay. They're also v flexible hours.

You could also look for evening work as a youth worker and see if you can lift share with the other youth workers.

Maybe a couple of night shifts a week as a health care assistant. If one is a Friday then you can catch up on sleep Saturday. One of my friends did this with small children and it meant she only had one day of being really knackered.

Primadonnagirl · 15/06/2014 17:17

Don't panic about getting work...why not? We all have to work if we can no matter how much we have on our plates OP is absolutely right to think of ways to bring in money.My only word of warning re, ironing ,baking cleaning is don't forget you have to declare all of this otherwise you may find yourself in hot water for working cash in hand.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 15/06/2014 17:26

I apologise if someone has already mentioned it (I have only skim read the latest replies) but I have just noticed that you get DLA for a child. If you are not working, surely you can also claim Carers Allowance for that child? £61 per week.

It's not a huge amount of money but every little helps.

HSMMaCM · 15/06/2014 17:27

I used to work in a supermarket part time when DH was at home. Can you do that? Friends of mine have one parent who works days and one nights.

Sleepyhoglet · 15/06/2014 17:31

I'm going to be blunt. I'm glad you are addressing this now because the situation is only set to deteriorate. I say this as I know how rents can rocket but salaries remain the same. I may have missed this somewhere but what s your career? Could you earn more than DH if you were to become the main breadwinner?

wannabeveggie · 15/06/2014 17:35

I agree that working nights as an HCA would be the way to go.
You get extra payments for night work and you can still pick DC up from school etc.
If you did fri and sat night -DH could look after the DC while you slept and then get up at lunchtime Sun and spend rest of day with DH and DC.
You are also available for school run etc during the week.
I know several people who did this on the Bank or if you are lucky and a permanent contract.

wannabeveggie · 15/06/2014 17:35

get a permanent contract.

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 17:42

The only thing that's more expensive In the South is rent and OP pays a reasonable price, less than half her income which is the norm iirc.

We really need to see your budget as I don't see where your problem is. 1150 is tight, but with the extra benefits that's 1340 plus your carers at 240 makes 1580 clear.

Don't work nights you'll end up exhausted and miserable.

OnIlkleyMoorBahTwat · 15/06/2014 17:53

If you're only really using the car to shop at Aldi, could you get rid of the car and visit Aldi once a month by taxi for a big stock up (using the £5 off voucher in the mirror on the last Thursday of the month) and then get the rest of your shopping delivered from the other supermarkets?

OneLittleToddleTerror · 15/06/2014 18:04

I'm not surprised you are struggling on £30k for a family of five. You say you don't know any who earns higher. Are they in the north? It is a fairly low salary in the SE and I assume it is Home Counties you mean? I don't think most who have 3 kids earn this little. There are lots of good suggestions here already. You need two incomes or move back home. Weekend or night shifts. Childminding. Dog walking. cleaning etc. things that don't attract much childcare cost if at all. DH earns just over £40k and we can't afford to have one of us stay at home with 2 children. It's just a fact of life in the south. I'm already in South Hampshire which is considerably cheaper. I commute to berkshire for work which is part of the Thames valley tech area. Houses are considerably more expensive there.

melissa83 · 15/06/2014 18:26

30k with 3 children is better off than 32% of the population