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to wonder where everyone's money comes from and why we have none?

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 12:52

We are really struggling for money and are in a bit of a mess that we can't get out of. We really struggle to the point where I couldn't take the children for an ice cream with their friends after school this week because I didn't have any money to buy an ice cream. Yet my facebook is full of people eating in cafes, driving places at the weekend, children doing endless after school activities (mine did do gymnastics but have had to stop it, and often can't afford to take the toddler to the childrens centre playgroup because I literally don't have the pound admission). Some of these friends are an a lower income than us / not working...AIBU to think they must be being helped by family, or have savings we don't have, or another source of income?

DH earns about 30,000. To me that is a high wage, it's certainly more than anyone in my family has ever earned, although I appreciate that some people will earn more. I am a SAHM. We have looked at the finances of me working and when we do the sums, with 3 DC (two would need before and after school care, one preschooler would need all day), we can't see how it is financially possible for me to work.

Basically, we moved from the North to the South-East a couple of years ago in order for DH to take up a permanent full time job, which increased his income from 16,000 to 30,000 and gave us the security of a permanent contract. Obviously the cost of living is higher, and we seem to be worse off, along with having much lower tax credits than we did on a lower income.

We have done everything we can to save money. Our rent is 850, which is honestly the lowest we could find in the town where DH works. If we lived further out, we would spend more on travel. I hate the town anyway and wouldn't choose to live here! After bills, council tax, etc, we have about 400 to get through the rest of the month, including food and travel. We shop in Aldi or Lidl, and manage to spend about 55 a week on food, cleaning products and toiletries for the five of us. It is tight, using cheap veg to bulk out meals etc and no treats - especially for the grown ups. We don't use the car unless essential. DH walks forty minutes each way to work, and cycles the children 4 miles each way to school in a bike trailer, except on the mornings when he isn't able to because of work commitments, in which case I get the bus (i can't drive) which costs about 12 in bus fare for me and the children, for 2 return trips (there are complicated reasons why they don't go to school closer to home, involving school admissions and some extra needs, but we're not eligible for help with transport and we just don't have the spare money for me to learn to drive, even though we would save money in the long term because bus fares are extortionate).

We have sold everything of any value, including jewellery I was given for my 21st, things left to me in a will, etc. We don't have a TV or sky subscription. We have never had a holiday, and have only been abile to visit family when they have been kind enough to pay for the travel. All the children's clothes are off ebay, or have been passed on to us by other people. DH and I have holes in our clothes, and I have no shoes, only flip flops. A couple of months ago we had to SORN the car because we couldn't afford the MOT and road tax in one installment. Some months we have run out of money halfway through, and have managed by buying enough cheap food for a budget menu, and dh and I sometimes going without food, especially fruit and veg, in order to save it for the children.

AIBU to think that on the income we have, we really shouldn't be this desperately broke? Am I missing something abiout how everyone else is doing this? We do keep looking out for jobs in cheaper areas but nothing is coming up, and I'm not sure how we'd afford to move unless there was a relocation package.

Please be kind, but genuine suggestions welcome!

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greeneggsandjam · 15/06/2014 14:57

Could you move to a smaller property? Not sure how many bedrooms you have or if you are in a house or a flat?

magpiegin · 15/06/2014 15:04

What about work in local pubs or restaurants. Can do that evenings and weekends. Or weekend work in a shop?

Flossyfloof · 15/06/2014 15:09

Surely the only solution is for you to find some kind of paid work in the evenings or at weekends? Although I appreciate that life is much more expensive it seems a great luxury to me for one parent to be at home.
This might sound patronising but do you have lots of takeaways (unlikely) and buy ready meals, that kind of thing? I was shopping with a friend who lives near you recently and is in a bit of trouble, financially. She was buying things like Dolmio sauce. I suggested that she could make her own sauce for pasta, much cheaper and much nicer. She didn't like the idea and of course that is her choice but it seemed daft to me that she has little money and yet wastes money (imo) on stuff like that.
My neighbour bakes cakes to sell at a country market. Is there anything like that near you? Everyone likes homemade cake!

CrotchMaven · 15/06/2014 15:14

You were all naive to think that your husband could have his dream job and a large family and live in the South East. Are their opportunities for him in the private sector that would pay more?

HeeHiles · 15/06/2014 15:17

Try to find out if you are entitled to housing benefit.

sanfairyanne · 15/06/2014 15:20

did you get almost 10 000 tax credits on an income of 16000 before? then you have probably taken a paycut, (as your partner now brings home around 23000 after tax/ni) plus moved to a more expensive area. this is why it is a struggle now but not before.
30 000 is not a big salary and no different to living on benefits/tax credits (well probably worse off) if you have 3+ kids.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 15:20

It's hardly his dream job, Crotch, it's the first step on the academic ladder in a place he wouldn't really want to be! Not really sure what he could do in the private sector, he isn't really prepared to change his career at the moment which isn't something I can do much about, or would try to force him into...

carol, most of those are house shares but thanks, will keep looking. It really is a problem to find a deposit etc though, and am definitely hoping not to be here much longer.

We are in a 3 bed house at the moment, with 3 dc, not all the same gender but in my opinion sharing for a bit wouldn't kill them, although not ideal.

There are definitely some good ideas here though, and it's good to actually be thinking about things I could do rather than feeling stuck.

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 15:22

Will look into housing benefit sydenham, I assumed our income would be far too high.

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LaurieFairyCake · 15/06/2014 15:22

You're doing amazingly to support 5 people on 30k in the south east

We're on double that and struggle too - mortgage is more than 3 times your rent

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 15:23

Yes, we got a lot in tax credits before, I can't remember the exact figure but it was a lot.

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Teeb · 15/06/2014 15:24

23k wouldn't go very far between two adults, let alone three kids into the mix. Could you do 2/3 nights working in a pub? It would be evening work and you'd be home by 12, so wouldn't impact on being up in the daytime with the little one.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 15:24

Definitely not a lot of takeaways, no it isn't patronising to ask - do cook from scratch and bake.

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unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 15:26

Penniless, it's hard to work out how to help you without knowing what your outgoings are. I think 30k is enough to live on but it depends what your bank statements art doing.

I'm guessing that money coming in is around 2k per month? That leaves 1150 for food, travel and bills. I know our essential outgoings are about 800 a month. Council tax is a killer but in some areas it's a lot less, could be a difference of 150 a month.

Do you need a car? You can hire if needs be.

Have you got mobile contracts?

Clarinet9 · 15/06/2014 15:27

Yup your options are to increase your income or cut your costs, I know several people in London who live in a 1 bed with 2 kids any chance you can get somewhere smaller and cheaper?
the answer to your question also lies partly in the tax credit area as well no need to answer here but have you worked out how your old income plus tax credits compares with the new income minus tax credits making sure tax and Ni match of course bet there wasn't that much difference.

However to answer your other question because there are threads about it on here regularly, yes there are LOTS of people who have a higher income.
Some even in 'hidden' ways: they have free childcare, free holiday accommodation, parents who pay for petrol, grandparents who pay for school fees, employers who pay for trips overseas and 'company' air miles that pay for the rest of the family, I know lots of people who are mortgage (and therefore rent) free, I know several who openly tell people who don't pay tax on this or that or whatever, (of course we don't know what the truth is there), I know people who have spent huge amounts and then declared bankruptcy or is it an IVA?, I know people pulling all sorts of scams too.

Previously whenever I got off work I was always surprised at the number of people walking around town (not London small local market type place) on Tuesday morning in March with so many shopping bags they struggled to carry them!

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 15:30

I'll dig out the exact outgoings and come back with them as I wrote them out for the bank the other day. Income bit less than 2k, council tax is actually the only thing that's cheaper than it was before we moved so not bad where we live probably because it's a shit hole

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hercules1 · 15/06/2014 15:32

I live in SE and as others have said being a sahm in 30k is a massive luxury. I don't know many people who can afford to have one parent not work at all. We stopped at 2 and earn lot more and both of us have always worked. During the years of high child care costs we worked shifts around each other including nights to make it doable.
Perhaps the best thing for your family is to go back north.

MotherOfInsomniacToddlers · 15/06/2014 15:34

Sorry I haven't read all the replies but can't you work weekends? Or evenings? My dh works 5 days a week (long hours!) and I work the other two, we do this to eliminate childcare costs as they are too prohibitive, dh ears 30,500 and I can get 5-6k on my two days (in a minimum wage job which is the only job I can get the flexibility I need! I hate the job but it's given us the extra income we need, we could scrape by on what he earns but wouldn't leave any extra money. It's rubbish sometimes as we don't have a day off together unless one of us has annual leave, I know it isn't ideal but IMO opinion it's better than the alternative of being permanently skint and dreading any unexpected costs

Openup41 · 15/06/2014 15:35

Sorry to hear that. It is horrid being unable to do things that others see as everyday things.

We live in the South East, our household income is more than £60k and we struggle. It really does not go far once we have paid our mortgage, bills, childcare fees and credit card debt.

Our dcs do not attend any clubs outside of school. I feel bad when they talk of their friends going to ballet/drama/swimming classes.

We only plan activities that are free.

Our neighbours have five children. The husband works and the dc have a party on every birthday, bbqs nearly every summer weekend, trampoline/tree house/slides/swings in their garden.

I budget to within an inch of our life.
No hairdressers
No magazines
No trips to coffee shops
No take aways
No bought lunches at work

Charlieboo30 · 15/06/2014 15:35

DP and I earn £40,000 between us, live in the NE and our rent is an incredible £300 a month. We do rent of a friend and the house (two bed cottage) is not ideal and a bit run down but anything else similar in our area is £550+.

We don't struggle but by the last week of the month we can't wait for payday! I don't think anywhere is 'cheap' anymore but the South is going to be costlier. We spend £300 on rent and probably another £500 on bills. £400 a month on groceries.

LadySybilLikesCake · 15/06/2014 15:36

"Previously whenever I got off work I was always surprised at the number of people walking around town (not London small local market type place) on Tuesday morning in March with so many shopping bags they struggled to carry them!"

I'm one of these, Clarinet. I work around 60 hours a week from home, including every weekend. If I don't do the food/household stuff shopping on my mornings off it won't get done at all. It must look swanky from the outside, but it's far from fun.

Teeb · 15/06/2014 15:37

Your current monthly works out at about £2,125 per month from the figures you gave.

Is it worth having the sit down chat and talking about what you both want, what your aspirations are and the quality of life you hope to achieve, then work out what it is you're prepared to do to get that. A minimum wage waitress/bar work job could add £600 a month to your income, but maybe you'd consider the pay off of losing out on time with your children in the evenings and weekends wouldn't be worth that.

Laquitar · 15/06/2014 15:38

I dont think you can find cheaper than 850pcm place to rent unless it is a really bad place imo:-(.

You mentioned that you did a degree, would you like to tell us what degree in case we can think of something?
And what jobs have you done before?

Xcountry · 15/06/2014 15:38

The cost of living where you are is high, Everything from rent and bills to things you can do is higher than up north. Your food bills will be higher and any trade things you need done are higher. DHs grandparents live in the south east and what they pay for things like car maintenance, house repairs etc can be up to 7x more than we do here.

DH earns 27,000 there or there abouts, and I earn between 4,000 and 6,000 depending (on how much of a lazy cow I am feeling) but we live up north where living costs are lower. I mean what you pay for your rent - we dont pay that for both our house and our flat mortgage (which we cant sell until the market picks up) and I don't have childcare costs because I can take the kids to work if I need to or mother in law lives in the town next to our village and is only a 5 min drive away.

This allows us to have two cars, multiple animals, 4 kids, go places and do things where we wouldn't be able to if we lived where you do. We aren't eligible for tax credits or anything like that either but we manage because of where we live. I'm fussy about food (because I work on a farm) and tend not to go to a supermarket - I go to a butcher, baker, fishmonger, greengrocer etc, council tax is cheaper and we both drive diesels which are far cheaper to run than petrols.

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 15:40

For wiw I cut back all regular outgoings like mobiles and TV. Only shop at Lidl and never eat out. If you do go out for a treat it's a nice cafe with proper cake and no limits, you have to treat yourself sometimes. You're no on one of those terrible energy payment meters are you?

ThatManAlwaysKnewHowToWinAnArg · 15/06/2014 15:41

I think I'd look into moving back to the North, with DH doing a house share until he found a job there too.

The caveat of that would be that he couldn't return every weekend. Realistically, he could come back once a month, because otherwise the cost of him travelling backwards and forwards would wipe out any profit.

In that case, you'd probably need to move back close to family, because you'd need help with the kids. You could then get into a routine, and when DH did find a job and move up too, you could look for work.

It might be that your job only pays childcare for now, but you'd be working towards a better future, and it sounds as if you need that. It sucks, especially if you prioritised being at home, but you can't afford that with such a low wage and having 3 kids.

I agree with others that unfortunately, your sums didn't work out. Your DH has a permanent job now, but he's taken a pay cut for it, when you add benefits into the mix, and he's moved you to a really expensive part of the country. It wasn't a wise decision, so you need to backtrack out of it as quickly as possible.