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to wonder where everyone's money comes from and why we have none?

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 12:52

We are really struggling for money and are in a bit of a mess that we can't get out of. We really struggle to the point where I couldn't take the children for an ice cream with their friends after school this week because I didn't have any money to buy an ice cream. Yet my facebook is full of people eating in cafes, driving places at the weekend, children doing endless after school activities (mine did do gymnastics but have had to stop it, and often can't afford to take the toddler to the childrens centre playgroup because I literally don't have the pound admission). Some of these friends are an a lower income than us / not working...AIBU to think they must be being helped by family, or have savings we don't have, or another source of income?

DH earns about 30,000. To me that is a high wage, it's certainly more than anyone in my family has ever earned, although I appreciate that some people will earn more. I am a SAHM. We have looked at the finances of me working and when we do the sums, with 3 DC (two would need before and after school care, one preschooler would need all day), we can't see how it is financially possible for me to work.

Basically, we moved from the North to the South-East a couple of years ago in order for DH to take up a permanent full time job, which increased his income from 16,000 to 30,000 and gave us the security of a permanent contract. Obviously the cost of living is higher, and we seem to be worse off, along with having much lower tax credits than we did on a lower income.

We have done everything we can to save money. Our rent is 850, which is honestly the lowest we could find in the town where DH works. If we lived further out, we would spend more on travel. I hate the town anyway and wouldn't choose to live here! After bills, council tax, etc, we have about 400 to get through the rest of the month, including food and travel. We shop in Aldi or Lidl, and manage to spend about 55 a week on food, cleaning products and toiletries for the five of us. It is tight, using cheap veg to bulk out meals etc and no treats - especially for the grown ups. We don't use the car unless essential. DH walks forty minutes each way to work, and cycles the children 4 miles each way to school in a bike trailer, except on the mornings when he isn't able to because of work commitments, in which case I get the bus (i can't drive) which costs about 12 in bus fare for me and the children, for 2 return trips (there are complicated reasons why they don't go to school closer to home, involving school admissions and some extra needs, but we're not eligible for help with transport and we just don't have the spare money for me to learn to drive, even though we would save money in the long term because bus fares are extortionate).

We have sold everything of any value, including jewellery I was given for my 21st, things left to me in a will, etc. We don't have a TV or sky subscription. We have never had a holiday, and have only been abile to visit family when they have been kind enough to pay for the travel. All the children's clothes are off ebay, or have been passed on to us by other people. DH and I have holes in our clothes, and I have no shoes, only flip flops. A couple of months ago we had to SORN the car because we couldn't afford the MOT and road tax in one installment. Some months we have run out of money halfway through, and have managed by buying enough cheap food for a budget menu, and dh and I sometimes going without food, especially fruit and veg, in order to save it for the children.

AIBU to think that on the income we have, we really shouldn't be this desperately broke? Am I missing something abiout how everyone else is doing this? We do keep looking out for jobs in cheaper areas but nothing is coming up, and I'm not sure how we'd afford to move unless there was a relocation package.

Please be kind, but genuine suggestions welcome!

OP posts:
unrealhousewife · 16/06/2014 19:44

With an extra 15K I'm sure OP can afford to do her laundry in the usual way.

OP's SN child doesn't qualify for transport because he isn't at the local school. This was cut a while ago. However she does get DLA which should cover it. Also she doesn't qualify for Carer's because he is on low rate DLA I think.

Regarding tax credits, OP had been misinformed and didn't know she could claim.

unrealhousewife · 16/06/2014 19:45

An the extra 15K in unclaimed benefit could go towards rent in an area closer to the dcs school. OP really doesn't need to work just yet.

imsorryiasked · 16/06/2014 19:59

Try and get a job on the checkouts at your local supermarket for a few evenings a week.
This way you earn some (not much) money, but will probably have access to the reduced goods so save money that way. You may also get staff discount after a time.
I did this when DH and I bought our first house as even with us both working full time we couldn't quite make ends meet. I earned a pittance but it was the difference between surviving and not, and the reduced shelf meant we had something other than mince to look forward to!

Apologies if this has been suggested, I've only read the first few pages.

wannabeveggie · 16/06/2014 20:02

Sassy at the time - no one was aware the OP was able to claim any further benefits.
She stated she had already been told she couldn't claim anything.
So we were trying to help, nothing more.

unrealhousewife · 16/06/2014 20:09

I'm sure OP isn't the only person that doesn't think she is entitled to benefit.

HeeHiles · 16/06/2014 21:22

Millions not claimed in benefits by those who should be entitled - way more than is claimed fraudulently! But hey - why should the Government let the truth get in the way of their lies!

AnotherTeacherMum · 16/06/2014 22:57

I do think you should look at ways of getting back to work. I work days and dh nights. Older dc do 2 mornings at breakfast club and baby does 2 mornings at nursery so we get a bit of sleep -him in term time, me in hols. We're always shattered but it means that childcare costs don't cancel out one salary.

Sorry if I've missed this earlier in the thread, but what sort of work did you do pre dc? You mention that you have been to uni so surely your earning potential isn't that bad.

Lots of people on mumsnet seem to think you can live like a millionaire on practically nothing 'oop north' but I think it would be tough to have 3 dc on £30k anywhere tbh. I live in the North west. A 3 bed house in a middling area would cost at least £650-800 pm (I have lived in Manchester and Liverpool, other towns may be different) and bus fares maybe £9-10 for an adult and 2 kids, so only a bit lower. Plus having no car is a nightmare as public transport is much more hit and miss.

I know that being a sahm is often seen as being best for the kids, but I think a lot of the benefits are outweighed by the detrimental effects of not having enough money to eat well, or join in with basic activities such as toddler group.

Also have these Flowers I have been through some really bad finacial times over the last few years and it's just horrid, I know how much it can take over your life.

lornemalvo · 16/06/2014 23:08

Sassy - your tax credit figure seems very high for an income of 30,000. You mention you used an income of 1860. You do realise the 1860 was the OP's DH's take home pay after tax etc.

parentalunit · 16/06/2014 23:32

I'm going to go against the grain here, and say that you might be better off staying in the SE, in the long term. Your children are already at school, and once you're able to work, you should be able to earn more than you would be able to up north. Also, your children may have better career opportunities if the economic environment is better where you currently are.

It is more expensive in the SE, and your husband's salary is low, especially considering that you have three children. Most people I know have 1 or 2, for exactly that reason.

You've probably thought of these already, but here are some things we revisit every few months if we're spending more than we expected. Are you making the most of cheap but healthy foods, like dried beans rather than canned, lentils, rice etc? Could you turn down the heating by a degree or so? Are lights on only when they need to be? It doesn't sound like you need to drive, but could you get a bike? For that one trip every now and then, could you arrange for another mum to pick up your kids, or cycle them in yourself? (maybe leave the bike trailer there for your husband to take them home?) Could you use a slow cooker for main dinners (you can use cheaper cuts of meat, and it's still very tasty), could you cut the family's hair at home (it saves us around 20 quid per head), do you already darn old clothes, or generally mend them to disguise holes (e.g. patches over elbows, piece of fabric behind rip in jeans...it can look intentional if you google an image, and are ok at sewing!).

What are your skills/expertise? Could you do something for a few hours per week for extra income? Your husband has a PhD, could he do some extra tutoring, say at weekends? It's tough but it sounds like an extra 50 quid a week would make a big difference to your family. Is your skillset something that could be a part time or self-employed career?

Lots of questions, but mostly Thanks and assurance that in having 3 kids, your situation is totally understandable. It will get much easier once they're all in school.

newfiechops · 16/06/2014 23:54

maybe the other families earn more or have help from families. struggling for every penny is so hard, I've been there myself. I think everyone can cope with short term hardship but when there is no end in sight it is very hard to deal with. I have recently got a job myself and am looking forward to being able to afford shoes and clothes without holes in! keep your chin up, try not to feel guilty about not being able to afford ice creams etc, you are doing a brilliant job. Keep looking for those northern jobs!

unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 00:16

I don't know about anyone else but when I had one at preschool and another at primary it was the most exhausting time of my life.

The morning run to two venues, the lunchtime run to pick up the preschooler, the afternoon run to pick up the primary dcs. Then after school activities etc, and the housework, 3 meals sometimes four, silly laundry and endless tidying. 3 very different bedtimes in the evening and homework, reading with 3 etc etc etc.

That's why you should get hold of those tax credits and benefits you are owed and put off working. OP didn't ask for careers advice on here yet it seems people are pushing her, however well meant, into working even more hours than she already is when she could be claiming what's rightfully hers instead and enjoying the last year of her youngest before she starts school full time, and afford to buy her kids a nice cream from time to time.

I agree with those who say life up North won't be much cheaper when incomes are taken into account.

Messygirl · 17/06/2014 07:50

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TwinkleTwinkleStarlight · 17/06/2014 07:55

Sassy - your tax credit figure seems very high for an income of 30,000. You mention you used an income of 1860. You do realise the 1860 was the OP's DH's take home pay after tax etc.

Have to say I agree with this ^. I think the OP needs to look into it really. I would hate for us all to think that they are going to get a load of help, when in fact they won't

Sassyb0703 · 17/06/2014 08:27

Panicked, wondering if you have had a chance to get through to tax credits yet and most importantly contact the council. ? I know benefits can be a really confusing for the uninitiated, so feel free to PM me as happy to guide you through system and answer any questions you may have.

unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 08:53

Madrigals I would say that working one or two days is fine but as Sassy has said it might push her into the higher the tax threshold.

But OP will still have to all the stuff that goes around it, earlier drop off to childminders, rushing for pickup, arranging after school care for the older two. It's a job just organising all that. And what happens when one of them is ill?

She might be better doing training or studying or even volunteering in a sector that suits. I'm sure there are lots of things she can do in terms of earning money, it depends on how much time and energy she has to do it. When the youngest is at primary it will be much easier.

Sassyb0703 · 17/06/2014 08:56

I would also add to others who doubt OP entitlement (or may just be interested in knowing what they may be able to claim themselves) have a look on either HMRC tax credit website, or "entitled to" which is fairly accurate in doing all benefits. You simply put your family's details and income in to the calculators and there is your answer. Especially worth doing if you are renting although to get penny perfect calculation go to your own councils website and use their calculator for housing/council tax benefit as "broad market rent bands " are averages used by councils to calculate 'reasonable' rents, so change from council to council. Last bit of advice when using calculators, work out if any tax credit entitlement first, before doing rent as tax credits are taken into account for housing benefit, so not putting in amount will give inaccurate figure.
In answer to question doubting figures, the tax credit will end up being a little lower as the figures quoted were for a full year April to April and we are now in June... otherwise fairly confident, calc done on hmrc website based on 30k gross 1860 net. 850 rent and chb for 3 kids under 16. 1 of which receives dla care low rate therefore no carers allowance entitlement.

bluesolveig · 17/06/2014 09:05

I bunged Op's info through entitledto, which ime is reasonably accurate. In addition to her dh's income & dc's lower rate car DLA they should be eligible for:
£118.34 child tax credit
£60.14 housing benefit
£47.60 child benefit

weekly. Which is £11,772.95 a year (tax free). OP are you receiving/applied for any of those?

When money is tight (btdt) it is so important that you know what is coming in & what it is being spent on. I don't think it is fair to your dh that you have no idea about this stuff.

twistedsista · 17/06/2014 09:23

The se is expensive. I felt rich when I was there a and single living in a shared house on a similar wage. I saved money as I knew I wouldn't be there long term. Move out for a better quality of life

TwinkleTwinkleStarlight · 17/06/2014 09:37

The OP really needs to contact her local HB office and the TC people so that she knows exactly what she may get. It certainly looks as if she may get something but there are two sets of figures that people have posted which are quite a way off each other.

I would hate for people to get carried away with what they may or may not get.

Heels99 · 17/06/2014 09:39

Op I live in sw and people here charge £10 per hour for ironing. If you did 2 hours ironing per day you would earn £100 per week which would really help.

keepyourchinupdear · 17/06/2014 11:14

Sassy with all due respect, although your calculations are pretty accurate: most estate agents & private landlords do not take on tenants who are in receipt of hb and do not allow tenants to claim hb as part of the tenancy agreement.

Most private rentals advertised state something along the lines of'No DSS' or hb recipients not considered', etc

unrealhousewife · 17/06/2014 11:31

keepyour but there is no way for a Landlord to know whether you are claiming HB. That's why it goes directly into peoples accounts now, so Landlords can't pull this one.

They see your bank statements initially. but once that's done if you are made unemployed I'm sure any landlord would prefer you get benefit to support you than end up with an empty property.

keepyourchinupdear · 17/06/2014 14:00

unreal yes there is. Dh

keepyourchinupdear · 17/06/2014 14:00

unreal yes there is. Dh has j

keepyourchinupdear · 17/06/2014 14:16

Sorry..
Dh changed jobs so there was a gap in our income. We had to pay council tax on the last possible date (15th) but the bank took around 3 days to process the transaction & we received a pink note through the door.
We had to pay ct at the latest date this month too. I had to phone the council to make payment as the automated & online services were out of order for over a week. When I gave the lady on the phone our acc no. she read back our address as our landlords! So obviously our ll has asked to receive the council tax bill for our address & would have received the pink note. He'd find out one way or another.

Also, our tenancy contract states in emboldened letters that the tenancy is not open to dss! I think it has something to do with mortgage & building insurers assessing that dss tenants are more risky & therefore do not accept them on btl mortgages/properties etc. Our ll even asked us when we viewed the property if we were dss. I gather it would be illegal for us to claim & if he found out we'd be given our notice. When we took up the tenancy to move from the damp, mouldy & drafty rental we were living in. we couldn't find anywhere that would take dss

Am ill with flu, hope that makes some sort of sense.

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