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to wonder where everyone's money comes from and why we have none?

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 12:52

We are really struggling for money and are in a bit of a mess that we can't get out of. We really struggle to the point where I couldn't take the children for an ice cream with their friends after school this week because I didn't have any money to buy an ice cream. Yet my facebook is full of people eating in cafes, driving places at the weekend, children doing endless after school activities (mine did do gymnastics but have had to stop it, and often can't afford to take the toddler to the childrens centre playgroup because I literally don't have the pound admission). Some of these friends are an a lower income than us / not working...AIBU to think they must be being helped by family, or have savings we don't have, or another source of income?

DH earns about 30,000. To me that is a high wage, it's certainly more than anyone in my family has ever earned, although I appreciate that some people will earn more. I am a SAHM. We have looked at the finances of me working and when we do the sums, with 3 DC (two would need before and after school care, one preschooler would need all day), we can't see how it is financially possible for me to work.

Basically, we moved from the North to the South-East a couple of years ago in order for DH to take up a permanent full time job, which increased his income from 16,000 to 30,000 and gave us the security of a permanent contract. Obviously the cost of living is higher, and we seem to be worse off, along with having much lower tax credits than we did on a lower income.

We have done everything we can to save money. Our rent is 850, which is honestly the lowest we could find in the town where DH works. If we lived further out, we would spend more on travel. I hate the town anyway and wouldn't choose to live here! After bills, council tax, etc, we have about 400 to get through the rest of the month, including food and travel. We shop in Aldi or Lidl, and manage to spend about 55 a week on food, cleaning products and toiletries for the five of us. It is tight, using cheap veg to bulk out meals etc and no treats - especially for the grown ups. We don't use the car unless essential. DH walks forty minutes each way to work, and cycles the children 4 miles each way to school in a bike trailer, except on the mornings when he isn't able to because of work commitments, in which case I get the bus (i can't drive) which costs about 12 in bus fare for me and the children, for 2 return trips (there are complicated reasons why they don't go to school closer to home, involving school admissions and some extra needs, but we're not eligible for help with transport and we just don't have the spare money for me to learn to drive, even though we would save money in the long term because bus fares are extortionate).

We have sold everything of any value, including jewellery I was given for my 21st, things left to me in a will, etc. We don't have a TV or sky subscription. We have never had a holiday, and have only been abile to visit family when they have been kind enough to pay for the travel. All the children's clothes are off ebay, or have been passed on to us by other people. DH and I have holes in our clothes, and I have no shoes, only flip flops. A couple of months ago we had to SORN the car because we couldn't afford the MOT and road tax in one installment. Some months we have run out of money halfway through, and have managed by buying enough cheap food for a budget menu, and dh and I sometimes going without food, especially fruit and veg, in order to save it for the children.

AIBU to think that on the income we have, we really shouldn't be this desperately broke? Am I missing something abiout how everyone else is doing this? We do keep looking out for jobs in cheaper areas but nothing is coming up, and I'm not sure how we'd afford to move unless there was a relocation package.

Please be kind, but genuine suggestions welcome!

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wannabeveggie · 15/06/2014 19:43

Ps
I never buy ice creams individually - its cheaper to buy a pack of 6 from asda(£1) and take the rest home in a cool bag < cheap moi ?> Grin

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 19:47

Yes, we saw the salary, plus the chance to get DH's career off the ground and didn't realise we could actually be worse off on almost double the income!

Veggie - that is exactly DH's argument and the reason why he won't move back until a position comes up that would actually be good for his career. I'd move back to any old job but then I hate it here and am pretty unhappy!

I did nights as an HCA during my degree and managed then, I could definitely do it again, more complicated with DC but do-able.

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 19:49

Yes, I do that with ice creams too, the pound for four box from Iceland! This was in a village with only the ice cream van to go to which was why I had to say no. I just felt awful that they couldn't have an ice cream with their friends.

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43percentburnt · 15/06/2014 19:54

Op you are doing well to manage. Please check out council tax benefit, ctc, housing benefit, carers allowance. Go to citizens advice or money advice centre to ensure you are receiving everything you are entitled to.

Could you tutor? 2 or 3 hours a week would be a help.

glasgowstevenagain · 15/06/2014 19:59

Lose the car you don't need it.

Taxi once a week got o be cheaper.

can you claim job seekers

wannabeveggie · 15/06/2014 20:04

If you had some disposable income would you be happier ?
Days out, swimming, ice creams, driving lessons Smile
I would be bricking it if I relied on TC for half my income now - at some point they will be pulled and I dread to think what will happen to those who rely on them.

Tough in the short term but better in the long term.

phantomnamechanger · 15/06/2014 20:05

OP, not sure if anyone has already mentioned this but are you on freecycle - there are always bags of kids clothes and shoes and toys on there. Have you got stuff your DC have finished with that you can start ebaying or do a boot fair?

bronya · 15/06/2014 20:08

Go on Money Saving Expert, and look on the budgeting threads on here. Spend several hours going through the joint account statements very carefully, writing down everything that has come in/gone out since you've moved here.

Is it simply that there were a lot of set-up costs (i.e. school uniform, rental deposit to pay back etc)? Look at your costs/income long-term. You need to plan in some saving towards car tax/MOT/unexpected clothing costs etc. If you had to borrow the rental deposit in the first place, that suggests you didn't have enough to save when you lived further North - either that, or one of you likes to spend to the max, so there's never anything left over.

We do well on the income we have, because we account for every single penny. I buy clothes in charity shops or Primark, toys at jumble sales/hand me downs from friends where possible. I also have a very cheap phone contract, with free texting, and will text everyone rather than phone people. DH has been banned (light heartedly!) from buying lunch at work, and spending random amounts of money on things (a bottle of coke a day, coffee on the way to work, extras for dinner, sweets - it used to add up to an unbelievable amount each month!). Switch lights off when you can, fill the washing machine to the max, don't use the oven unnecessarily... Have a saving mindset, and you'll find there is extra there. Your DH has to join in too though!

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 20:11

Why don't you know how much the bills are, don't you see the direct debit amounts coming out of the joint account?

Sorry if I've missed something Smile

CrotchMaven · 15/06/2014 20:17

You see, penniless, that thinking is why you're where you are now - you aren't on double the income. Because you had extra money coming in before from tax credits.

It's shit that this is the case and that incomes aren't enough to match ridiculous housing costs and increasing bills etc. But it seems that you can't have everything you want, unfortunately (late starting career and having 3 childen at the same time, whilst having one parent at home in their early years).

What ideas has your husband come up with? Has he checked that you are on the cheapest deals for your utilities? As he deals with bills, does he look at MSE? Or can you look into that?

tobysmum77 · 15/06/2014 20:18

I would look at ways to make extra money rather than getting a job as such. Phoenix cards, pampered chef if you know people with more money than sense. Are you on Facebook? I'm always getting messages about selling this and that. What skills do you have? Can you take in ironing? proof read? All these are more flexible than an actual job.

Even if you do get a saturday job I'd start building your portfolio as it isn't something you want to do forever.

And I have no idea at all how you manage btw.

threedeer · 15/06/2014 20:26

Hi OP,
I really sympathise. You haven't necessarily made the wrong move. Your DP can now apply for uni posts up North on a similar pay scale to his existing one, but the money would go further, so long term, I think you made the right move. Even if he stays here, eventually his salary will increase as he rises up the pay levels, and then you will be able to earn too.

Don't fret about the ice-creams. Loads of loaded yummy mummies round here would say no on principle because Mr Whippy is so bad for Jocasta's delicate digestive system. You feel bad because you didn't have any choice and that's a demoralising position to be in. But it's no big deal, long term.

I have a suggestion. However tight the budget, allocate £5 per week for fun. It's a minute amount, but ring fence it. That way you can say yes to ice creams one week, or pay for the soft play another week etc.

Stock up on small treats that are free or almost free - buy popping corn and cheap supermarket ice-creams, get out some dvds from the library and have a film night for the Dc and their friends. Or do something similar for you and your friends. Plan something like this every week, so you and your DC have it to look forward to.

Part of coping with extremely tight finances is ensuring you are not totally bereft of fun or choice. However tight money is, a tiny, regular percentage of it has to be allocated freely towards having fun. (I was taught this years ago when I was working two jobs to get out of debt. It was the best advice I was ever given and I pass it on whenever I can!)

wannabeveggie · 15/06/2014 20:36

I really wouldn't bother with Phoenix cards or Pampered chef- you can make more doing 2 nights HCA and not have to bother with all the sucking up and social crap and it would take you ages to earn the same.

KingfishersCatchFire · 15/06/2014 20:52

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sanfairyanne · 15/06/2014 20:56

stay put. there will be more jobs for you there longer term too. just adjust ecpectations. i still think this is a 'wow 30k' vs reality 'its the same money as before' situation. longer term, this is the better deal.

catherinemm · 15/06/2014 21:47

I haven't read the while thread but I'd also urge you not to move back up north without some serious consideration for the future.

My situ is not dissimilar. A year ago me and OH moved back to london after 4 years in the west midlands so I could take up a promotion at work. DH is currently a SAHD. I earn more than your oh (£56k) but our london housing costs are much higher (nearly £1500 a month). Money is tight, though not to the level you describe, but no room for holidays - I'm only considering one at the mo cod it's pretty much free. Anyway, I am also pregnant so shortly going on mat leave - paid for a bit but then our finances will really suffer. For a while I thought the solution was to move back, esp as OH had a work prospect there and I could poss do my job on part time basis with weekly commute to london involving 1 overnight stay after mat leave. OH wasn't keen for emotional reasons but I was only convinced after doing the maths. We examined costs of life after my mat leave. Basically there's no much in it for us as there's the potential for us both to earn far more down here than back in the midlands. This was even after including childcare costs. Obv OH needs to get work and if that doesn't happen a move is an escape route, but for now we are not going til he's had a good go at it!

If also see if you could lose the car entirely. We have no car here and cope fine, though we are in london. The costs if the car we'd have to have in the midlands also contributed to our decision to stay put

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overthemill · 15/06/2014 21:58

Getting to and from the airport is quite difficult if you don't drive and work unsocial hours (ie when DH can do childcare) I know as my sister works there! Often starts at 3am!!!

GogoGobo · 15/06/2014 22:09

You need to get some paid work, even taking in ironing, babysitting, pub work. You can cycle home. Sorry, it is beyond a luxury to not do any paid work at all. Good thing about bring in the South East is that there's loads of work available!

Didactylos · 15/06/2014 22:10

some good suggestions here;

do you have any skills that you could tutor - music, english, languages, sciences? Translation work? or proofreading? Whenever we have moved its normally been in pursuit of my job and occasionally DH hasnt found work straight away - but hes been able to set up doing occasional maths tuition, language lessons, music lessons when hes been looking for work and so can normally bring in a little bit a week (declared and always below tax allowance threshold, my income has always stopped him claiming JSA but he feels better for doing it and its actually opened up a few jobs in the past just from making contacts locally)

Nights as an HCA sound good - could you look for agencies that do inhouse/respite type care eg resident in someones home overnight to assist them?

Although online stuff eg surveys isnt a source of income I know someone who does enough of these things (while she is in at night alone looking after kids) that she can get enough vouchers etc for minimal effort to allow her to buy clothes and shoes when needed, and that takes some pressure off her budget.

I would be wary of moving back north unless the job your DH gets has good prospects for promotion or tenure: it might be better long term to ride this out if he is in a position where his income will improve or you can work when kids are in school

Good luck OP, I hope things get better soon

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 22:14

No, Bronya , we've never had enough to save. We definitely don't buy lunch out etc, or coffee out, but could probably be tighter on the washing machine going on, lights off etc, so that's one way to save some pennies. All the childrens clothes are hand me downs or ebay bundles.

DH says he has checked that we're on the cheapest utility deals but you're right that I should look and check myself - I never look at the online banking so i don't see the direct debits coming out, I just get the cash i will need out at the beginning of the week and don't carry my card around just in case I'm tempted to buy extra.

Thanks threedeer, a tiny amount ringfenced for fun is a good idea. It might not get us to the soft play on the bus but it would definitely do ice creams or a swim, or a trip out.

I've got some weekend work saved here to apply for tomorrow :-)

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 22:17

I probably would be happier with disposable income veggie - I'd much prefer to be back home but would definitely be more tolerable!

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VeryStressedMum · 15/06/2014 22:52

You said your monthly wage £1860 per month on £30,000? Dh used to earn that and his monthly take home was more than that and this was years ago and the personal allowance was less than it is now...or maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
Are you sure you're not entitled to child tax credits?
It really isn't a lot to live on so you are doing really well. We struggled on that with 3 children and we live in NI. I think the only way is for you to get a part time job, evenings and weekends. It may not be the job you want but it will give you a better quality of life. I've had to work in awful jobs just to make ends meet.

glasgowstevenagain · 15/06/2014 22:58

1860 on 30 k is about correct with pension contributions

VeryStressedMum · 15/06/2014 23:02

She said he opted out of his pension scheme?