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To not get the "I have loads of kids so I can claim benefits and have an easy life"idea

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Lancashiregal10 · 14/06/2014 21:19

Taking to my neighbour today who has five kids. Her and her husband claim benefits.
We live in a part council estate/ part privately owned
Today and many times in the past she has took great delight in telling me that they had five kids to claim all the benefits. She admits they would only have had one if they had to work.
Before I had DS 10 months early I just used to shrug and think "each to their own". I know this sort of talk would annoy a lot of people but I was of the opinion that I would not swap places with her for the world and my husband and I get a lot out of our careers.
So anyway talking to her today I realised something.
Taking care of a baby is hard work (never mind five under eight)
This lady is always running round after her kids and always looks completely knackard as does her hubby. They never seem to have any time to relax, the nights trying to get their kids to sleep are awful as they all have to share bedrooms and when one kids wakes it sets the others off.
I want to shake her and say "you do realise working is actually easier then having all these kids" (four if which you did not really want) though I course I have no doubt in my mind she loves them to bits.
I just don't get the thinking of some people!
Can I also say this is not a benefit bashing thread and I am highly in favour of the Welfare state for those who need it. I guess I just don't understand how some people think a house full of kids is easier then going to work. And that you would have kids for that reason.
Also is the amount you get really so fabulous that you would do this?

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Fideliney · 15/06/2014 01:26

It's clear what your issues around work from your other threa ICan and what and who you are prepared to sacrifice to it.

You can flounce in here and tell us all we are childish for not snapping to the classic DM bait of the OP. You can drone on and on and on and on at us telling us we should take the bait.

But we don't have to.

LeftyLoony · 15/06/2014 01:28

Yeeeeeeeah.
Whatevs.

SoonToBeSix · 15/06/2014 01:29

Fideliney no you tube royalties sadly , however one of my dd's did win a Christmas hamper at her school raffle so it's all good.

Fideliney · 15/06/2014 01:29

And still the OP hasn't returned.

Fideliney · 15/06/2014 01:31

Well a hamper's a start Soon.

LuisSuarezTeeth · 15/06/2014 01:33

Fid let it go. When I said earlier that you are more valuable elsewhere, I meant that I think you make a lot of great contributions - but you're wasting them here.

Fideliney

Fideliney · 15/06/2014 01:33

I was thinking about pagenting (sp?) myself.

DS17 is less keen Hmm

Fideliney · 15/06/2014 01:35

Sweet of you to care Luis but it is Saturday night Grin

LuisSuarezTeeth · 15/06/2014 01:37

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Fideliney · 15/06/2014 01:39

Which part are you taking exception to exactly?

Itsjustmeagain · 15/06/2014 01:53

If this in fact ever happened the neighbour was probably just sick of your judgemental glares and was deliberately trying to shock you. I have 5dcs (don't fret though dh and I both work) and I would find it amusing to wind someone like you up! She is probably on a forum somewhere having a laugh about her judgemental neighbour who can't cope with even a single child.

StealthPolarBear · 15/06/2014 08:37

"ouryveSun 15-Jun-14 00:25:02

If she really wanted to live the life of Riley, she should have disabled kids. She'd be raking it in, get free cars, and everything."

and 60 billion pounds per child per year I think. Isn't that true? My neighbour told me thats the bare minimum

Pipbin · 15/06/2014 08:55

I have just been to the 'entitled to' website and entered the details for a family with 5 children.
The total entitlement comes out at £26k a year.

To not get the "I have loads of kids so I can claim benefits and have an easy life"idea
Pipbin · 15/06/2014 08:58

Also according to the same website, if you got a minimum wage job at 30 hours a week (assuming no childcare costs). Then you would be better off by £133 a week.

To not get the "I have loads of kids so I can claim benefits and have an easy life"idea
Pipbin · 15/06/2014 09:01

£26k a year is equivalent to £34k before tax.

x2boys · 15/06/2014 09:02

60 billion pounds a year you say stealth I have a lucrative disabled child where can I find out how to get this and the many free car? In reality my son gets 54 pounds /week DLA not all that lucrative really !

scarlettsmummy2 · 15/06/2014 09:06

No one genuinely chooses to have five children to be able to get more benefits. They have more children as they don't know any better and are stuck in the benefit dependency cycle.

OnIlkleyMoorBahTwat · 15/06/2014 09:12

I don't understand how so many people on Mumsnet simply refuse to accept that there are people who, whether intentionally, or by just letting it happen, build up large entitlements to tax credits and/or benefits by having large families.

I have 13 nieces and nephews by way of 3 siblings. Two of those are supported by parents that work (one full time in a professional job and the other part time low paid). That family are entitled to nothing except child benefit.

Then there is a family with 5 DCs where the parents work very part time hours, just enough to maximise their TC entitlement. They get over £20k per year in tax credits etc and this does not include any childcare help or rent as they own their own home.

Then there is the third family that have 6 DCs, and neither parent has ever worked much at all. They rent so will be effected by the benefit cap, despite living in the north in social housing so not expensive.

The above circumstances are not unusual at all. I also know another married couple that live separately but are in a relationship and have 8 children between them, neither work, so that is two more large families probably receiving £20k+ pa in benefits.

I'm not saying that parenting lots of children is easy, but I think it is very naive to believe that it doesn't happen and I think it is very childish to shout down anyone that says it does on here with posts about goats.

x2boys · 15/06/2014 09:20

Of course it does likely but you cannot have a rational conversation about benefits on mn because you will simply get shouted down for being a benefit basher many people are on benefits due to circumstances changing some are not but any attempts at a civilised conversation descends into name calling .

x2boys · 15/06/2014 09:21

Ilkely not likely!

InspirationFailed · 15/06/2014 09:23

Since I became a single parent (I have 4 children) I honestly can't believe the amount of money I get. I'm not even just saying it to be controversial but I am so much better off now than I've ever been. Paying child care for 4 cost an absolute fortune. I've just booked a holiday abroad, my DC have lovely clothes, computers, days out etc. I can totally understand why people would chose to not work and have more children instead.

Pipbin · 15/06/2014 09:24

I do find it on on MN that people on benefits are either all scrounges or all on their uppers and in genuine need. Both can be true.

Pipbin · 15/06/2014 09:26

Here are the pay scales for teachers for comparison. (I've chosen this as it's a publicly available pay scale)

To not get the "I have loads of kids so I can claim benefits and have an easy life"idea
InspirationFailed · 15/06/2014 09:29

Just adding it up quickly it comes to about £1900 a month. That's HB, IS and CTC. I didn't get close to having a take home amount like that when I was working.

I'm currently looking for a job that fits in with school hours, because I enjoy adult conversation and being at work but I honestly can see why some people would be very happy with this sort of income.

melissa83 · 15/06/2014 09:31

You have to have quite a bit as to live most people needa fair whack so benefits for having a few children will always be a decent amount of cash.

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