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To be absolutely steaming about having a free copy of the Sun delivered by Royal Mail?

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Sixweekstowait · 09/06/2014 09:10

I know I am not BU. I am going to post it back to Sun HQ in an unstamped envelope ( will probably tear it into pieces before I do). Who will join me?

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ShakesBootyFlabWobbles · 12/06/2014 22:57

Ditto RedTooth

AnnaLegovah · 12/06/2014 22:59

I am Shock at the phrase 'revelling in victimhood'.

ScooseIsLoose · 12/06/2014 23:01

"Revelling in victimhood"? Really Angry

TrueGent · 12/06/2014 23:03

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2014 23:07

Its less likely to get there with a phone directory as it'll be bigger/heavier than the size they accept.

Much better to go with someone smaller than a C5 (A5) Envelope thats no heavier than 100grams and no thicker than 5mm as thats the limits for a base price letter.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2014 23:19

If we are to learn from what happened we need to know…what…happened.

Well quite... except no one EVER ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO ACCEPTING IN THE IDEA THAT THE FANS WERE TO BLAME. THERE WAS NEVER A FAIR CONSIDERATION OF THE EVIDENCE.

In other words, there was a miscarriage of justice. So far from revelling in victimhood, the families kept pushing to know what happened.

How else were they supposed to get the message across? Or were they supposed to just shut up?

Soon enough the public enquiry will draw those very conclusions. In the meantime we have people saying things like being held up But the pendulum has no swung too far the other way, with them all, every one of them, being held up as saints and sinless and in no way to blame for anything at all. only to say a few paragraphs later If we are to learn from what happened we need to know…what…happened..

So yeah, thats bloody impartial and waiting on the evidence isn't it? No, thats still already drawing the conclusion that the fans must have been, at least in part to blame...

I think they deserve their day (months) in court, not a trial by media.

Migsy1 · 12/06/2014 23:25

Truegent What is your inspiration for this fiction?

TrueGent · 12/06/2014 23:30

For the judge to rule out, a priori, the possibility that the victims may have in some way contributed to their plight is illogical, immoral and just plain silly.

But we now have to bow towards those 96 heroes - every one of them a saint; along with their noble, upstanding, sober, peaceful fellow fans.

Some fans were innocent; some less so; some police behaved badly; other less so. But all that will be ignored now as the whitewash (covering up other misdoings this time round) rolls on....

TrueGent · 12/06/2014 23:34

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-26852324

The coroner added none of the 96 should be blamed for their deaths.

As he set out some of the topics which will arise during the hearing, he asked the jury to consider the "conduct of the fans, or some of them, excluding those who died".

Lord Justice Goldring added: "I phrase it in that way because I don't believe anyone will suggest that the conduct of those who died in any way contributed to their deaths."

Ludicrous - hear the evidence and then draw a conclusion - not the other way round.

ShakesBootyFlabWobbles · 12/06/2014 23:39

The Sun were so sorry about their Hillsborough reporting that they hired Kelvin MacKenzie back as a columnist from 2005 to 2011.

His tweet in April says he hoped Liverpool didn't win the title as we'd never hear the last of it. Sorry much?

I now suspect he's registered on MN as truegent

RedToothBrush · 13/06/2014 00:03

The injustice has been about the fact this trial by media and speculation has been done for years and years and years. THAT is the problem, and THAT is why many, many people have not been able to move on.

If certain groups HAD DONE A PROPER INVESTIGATION in the first ruddy place rather than cover their arses, then there wouldn't be a debate 25 years later now would there?

The grounds for the public enquiry were to examine the failings and cover up by authorities which had been exposed as obstructing a satisfactory investigation into what happened.

It centres on the decision not to prosecute any individual or corporate body despite the existence of evidence that suggests this was a potentially fundamentally flawed decision.

miasdaddy · 13/06/2014 00:03

whilst i agree that the 96 can't be blamed for their deaths i can't believe given the track record of football fans at the time that none of them pushed, shoved, got pissed,turned up late and ticketless or tried to storm the turnstiles which must in part have led to the decision to open the main gates

Scousadelic · 13/06/2014 00:43

What a pathetic and tasteless post miasdaddy. You say the 96 can't be blamed for their deaths then do exactly that. Shame on you.

This is interesting if correct. Read down past the don't deliver posters. It is a requirement for any printed publication to have an address on it, which today's free one doesn't which may leave the S*n liable for fines

Darkesteyes · 13/06/2014 00:44

The broadcast of the match on BBCs Grandstand that day showed the fans helping the wounded by ripping off advertising hording and using them as stretchers.

It was as clear as day why the hording was being ripped off but the Sun dressed it up as vandalism a few days later (along with other lies) and a lot of people believed it. If anyone needs to look at and/or write a thesis on how well propaganda works what the Sun did to the Hillsborough families is a perfect example.

careeristbitchnigel · 13/06/2014 00:46

i was very grateful for mine. I used it to wrap up the cat litter

miasdaddy · 13/06/2014 04:53

Sorry wrongly worded i didn't mean the 96 were guilty of the pushing and shoving etc but I still stand by the chance other fans were

ThatsSoNambyPamby · 13/06/2014 05:14

The Sun has a freepost address which is online.
Google is your friend.
just saying......

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Sixweekstowait · 13/06/2014 05:17

www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9538649/Hillsborough-report-41-of-the-96-dead-had-potential-to-survive
Read this truegent and misadaddy. Although I don't know I'm bothering as you clearly have an agenda that has nothing to do with interest in the truth about Hillsborough.

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Andrewofgg · 13/06/2014 05:30

There's a question which won't go away. Next May every candidate including UKIP and BNP will have a right to a free mail shot to every elector. Have the posties the right to say No?

I don't think they have. Does anybody?

sashh · 13/06/2014 05:50

Likewise we still speak about the war and remember it, but we don't punish the people that live in Germany now.

  1. if war criminals from then are still around and caught they are punished

  2. Germany itself punishes people who display/buy/sell symbols of Nazi Germany

  3. Would it be appropriate to post swastikas to every house in the country on remembrance Sunday? It was a long time ago and it wouldn't be different people posting them.

Mckayz · 13/06/2014 06:51

I can not believe some of the shit posted on here. 'Reveling in victimhood'. What the fuck. Their family members and friends died for FFS. How exactly is that 'reveling in victimhood'?

Almost half of them would have survived if the police had done their job properly.

Sirzy · 13/06/2014 06:57

For the judge to rule out, a priori, the possibility that the victims may have in some way contributed to their plight is illogical, immoral and just plain silly.

The thing is though the fans that were in a position to be killed will most likely have been the ones who were in the ground early to get a "good" position ready to enjoy the game. Unfortunatly that good position meant when all went wrong they were in the worst position for being crushed.

ShakesBootyFlabWobbles · 13/06/2014 07:53

andrewofgg google advertising standards authority harm and offence. This sets out what can't be sent out if it is likely to cause widespread offence or upset.
However the ASA said that irrespective of page 3, Hillsborough reporting, Falklands conflict reporting, lies lies and more damn lies over the years, just because you dislike The Sun, as the leaflet itself was deemed not contain harmful or offensive material, it wasn't covered by their guidance.

ShakesBootyFlabWobbles · 13/06/2014 07:58

Ludicrous - hear the evidence and then draw a conclusion - not the other way round.

If only that logic had been used in 1989, when allegations were used instead of evidence and published by The s*n as truth (looking at you Kelvin MacKenzie) we wouldn't be debating here 25 years later.

Youdontdecide · 13/06/2014 08:05

Time to report the troll who said revelling in victim hood?