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Being treated differently then sister in law

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Lancashiregal10 · 01/06/2014 11:49

Basically sister in law has a four year old and we have a 10 month old. Sister in law is a single parent (she adopted as a single parent).
A bit of background at the time of adopting me and DH thought we could not have children and would find it hard to be approved as adopters as I have uncontrolled epilepsy (been through process and told this). SIL then suddenly decides she wants to adopt as a single parent (fine, no issue with this). When she was approved she tells my DH that "she will finally have something that we don't have". Now she has always been like this so we are a bit disgusted but we both shrug it off.
She has always had her mum and dad (my DH parents) pay for everything and they practically bring up her child for her. (Again if she and inlaws are ok with this its their issue, we can afford stuff she can't and its none of our business how her child is brought up).
Anyway fast forward to me and DH having child that we never though we could (cue major paddies and childish from SIL but that is another story).
But now we are finding her little boy is being treated so different then ours. They never have time to spend with ours (apart from one afternoon a week which they look after and we are very gratefull for)
If we arrange to do something with them at weekend SIL butts in and they end up bein with her (apparently we can't do stuff togther as SIL hates me and does not want to spend time with me)
We have to provide all milk, food, nappies for that one half day a week yet They have SILs kid fours days and she provides nothing.
They are always buying nephew toys but none our little boy. The rare times we are all together inlaws give all attention to nephew and intoned our little boy.
Last year when DS was six months we had arranged to go away with them for a week to the Peak District but due to SIL kicking up fuss that she could not cope, they only came for a night however they go away with SIL a least four weeks a year (all paid for by them) and we are never invited as again SIL hates me (My crime was marring her brother and even worse then that proving to be fertile after all)
Until now we did not give a toss but now we are starting to see the differences between inlaws treatment of our little boy and nephews already.
Maybe we are just being anal. DH has taked to his mum and dad but its a case of SIL needs them and we don't. Which is true we don't but we want our little boy to feel as close to them as nephew does and not feel left out
Tell me please if being unreasonable

OP posts:
rootypig · 02/06/2014 14:11

In all of this, OP, it seems to be SIL's DC who is seriously losing out / at risk, and yet you are not remotely concerned about this - if you were, you would express direct concern, and at the very least you wouldn't resent the time DGP spend with him.

I just think the whole emphasis of this thread is utterly self involved and if the DGP could read it they'd think, "never does a good deed go unpunished". What exactly are they to DO? abandon this four year old?

And all of this said, why on earth was your DH a reference for the adoption???

mrsbucketxx · 02/06/2014 14:11

i wouldn't like my child being treated like this either.

your sil should never have taken on an adopted child if she could not cope on her own, its HER child not the gps. and not to the exclusion of other granchildren

i would distance yourself and your child your dh can see them when he wishes but its not fair on you or your child

PhaedraIsMyName · 02/06/2014 14:16

mrsbucket you presumably missed birds excellent post about how the sister's assessment would have been done?

The ils are not excluding the other grandchild. They are giving more attention to an adopted 4 year old than the OP's 10 month baby.

How any one can think that is unfair is a puzzle.

mrsbucketxx · 02/06/2014 14:19

i read them doesn't mean i agree.

its unfortunate that the adopted child was placed with a mother who cannot parent on her own, but persisted with her own selfishness adopting in the first place.

op need to step away from this twisted selfish person before her own dc realize what is going on.

my own gps had their favorite and to the rest of us it hurt like mad, its not nice.

op will not change the status quo now and has to think of her own family.

isabellavine · 02/06/2014 14:21

Phaedra "I'll repeat what I said before you and the OP are confusing treating the grandchildren fairly with treating them equally. The 2 are not synonymous."

But I don't think it's about complete equality of treatment. I've made that completely clear. What I have said is that the situation is far too skewed towards SIL and her needs. If the balance is currently 90/10 to the SIL, then it needs to me more 70/30 in favour of the SIL.

If SIL is a bad parent, and this child is getting a raw deal, then social services should be involved.

"Why not assume the sil and the ils are one unit? OP has a husband and her own family to support her."

This is what I would do in the OP's shoes. I'd distance my family from the in laws, and I would focus my attention on happier relationships with friends. When the GP asked why they didn't see the GC any more, I'd explain that I didn't want them to grow up feeling second best, and thought it preferable to put energy into relationships where they were valued.

rootypig · 02/06/2014 14:24

Oh isabella sorry I just saw your reply to me. Of course we all project our own experience onto threads like these. I am actually no/minimal contact with a few of my nuclear family, so I can understand that choice. But I made it for myself, as an adult. The DGP here ARE involved in OP's DC's life, they look after him once a week! that is more than many GP. My DGP were hugely important to me, they were a calm and safe place for me all through my childhood - still are - and I think for OP to want to deny this for either of the DC involved here is just really sad.

Again, I may be wrong as we only have this thread to go on, but it sounds to me as the DGP are going above and beyond for a child that desperately needs their support and for this they are only to be applauded. The OP and her DC are not 'paying', by any stretch of the imagination, but the OP's DC certainly will in future, if she allows this to blow out of proportion. Soon all the DC will be in school - very soon, for the four year old - and everything will change again, hugely.

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime · 02/06/2014 14:26

OP Also DH stood as a reference for SIL, drove her to her appointments with social workers that where not in her house and then drove her to meet nephew. So yes he did support her.

so the OPs parents and brother support her adoption. SS are considering her for a second child(?)

so its just the OP who doesn't....?

rootypig · 02/06/2014 14:27

If the balance is currently 90/10 to the SIL, then it needs to me more 70/30 in favour of the SIL.

You simply cannot say this without knowing the situation intimately yourself. You just can't. And advising the OP to 'distance herself' is a road with only one outcome at the bottom of it. DGP are so so precious, there is nothing else like them in life. I just think that should be kept in the OP's mind.

Anyway the OP should also be respecting her DH's wishes, she said upthread she would happily go no contact but he doesn't want this, and as it's his family, in the absence of harm and abuse, it's his choice to make.

summertimeandthelivingiseasy · 02/06/2014 14:34

Distancing gives you the space to deal with the emotional hurt, and to set up a relationship where you are not always so desperate for parental approval that you are always vulnerable. You need to work out your priorities and needs for yourself and your family and put those first (as the sister and pil are doing for themselves)

This can lead to a more 'grown up' relationship, where you may come to a mutual understanding as you get older and appreciate each other better.

It may mean sacrificing the chance of a close and meaningful relationship short term, but if that is not happening, then it is no loss.

Going no contact is a one way street, but that is a different matter.

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime · 02/06/2014 14:38

....where you are not always so desperate for parental approval that you are always vulnerable....

but the GPs are not the OPs parents.
they are her DHs parents.
he supported the adoption and wants a relationship with his family......

mrsbucketxx · 02/06/2014 14:46

yet he supports a woman who made fun of her sister in laws barreness.

he should see whats happening to the treatment of his own family

summertimeandthelivingiseasy · 02/06/2014 14:52

It is a bit hard to read where it is the OP that has the issue or the DH as it reads as a joint problem.

If it is entirely the op's problem, and DH is ok with it, then she just needs to ignore and get on with her own family.

If it is her DH that is finding it a problem, she needs listen to what he says and let him decide what to do.

Either way, the pil will do what they want regardless, and they need to get on with looking after their own DS

isabellavine · 02/06/2014 15:00

Rooty - to explain a bit about why I feel this way - distancing quite literally saved my sanity when I was trying to deal with the hurt of a similar problem with unbalanced family dynamics. I don't think that it does always end with separation - it can be a key to retaining some kind of dynamic.

Anyway, here's my story. My sister is an arch manipulator. She is in her mid 30s and has always lived with my parents despite having a very committed long term relationship. She has isolated them from the outside world almost completely: they rarely leave the house except to go to the supermarket, they have no friends, and they are unhealthily focused on the comings and goings of their neighbours. My sister, by contrast, has a very good, well-paid job. While she is at work every day, my parents run around and do her washing, cook her meals, and generally act like live-in servants.

So that's the practical arrangement. Now for the emotional side of things. Over the years, my sister has built a toxic bubble with them, in which reality is warped into a strange mirror-image of itself. And that reality has been carefully, painstakingly constructed with two objectives: to enrich herself and to exclude me. It started out with little lies and twistings of the truth, and its ended with a complete break between their reality and mine. Whatever I say or do, however innocent, is twisted to give it the most awful, negative interpretation possible. (Even the fact that I like Christmas trees and put one up in my own home in early December, against a family tradition of doing it on the 24th. I kid you not, this has been taken as evidence of utter malice on my part!).

I've tried to confront this in every way you can think of. In the early years, I went the direct route, and stated my own case. I made no headway. Then (and this was highly misguided, but I was 19 at the time and extremely naive!) I tried to prove that she was a liar. I got stone-cold proof, in her own writing of a colossal and important whopper she'd told, which was the whole basis of an appeal to my parents for support. Despite the evidence, I was told (not without justice) that I was interfering and upsetting her.

The pain and the depression from feeling this rejection and not being able to do a think about it were awful and had a hugely negative impact on my life. And then in my mid 20s I went to counselling, and I got the courage to distance myself and pursue my own life, which of course went down very negatively with my parents.

I still make an effort. I ring them every week, even though they make it clear that they are bored of my company and are merely tolerating my calls. Every time we speak or write, I make it clear that they have an open invitation to my house. They have come four times in the last 18 years.

Now here's my point: if you asked my parents why they did this, they would say that my sister has support needs that far outstrip mine. In actual fact, I have suffered serious illness, homelessness (literally living in a tent), abuse and divorce by myself, while she's always been comfortable and has grown rich on the back of their labour. So I am acutely, painfully aware of the fact that evaluations of 'need' are incredibly subjective.

I think the best thing to do is for families to discuss these issues openly. But when you are dealing with someone who is not behaving according to the 'normal' rules, and who has colossal power over the interpretation of all events, that's not always possible. Which is why I would argue throwing all of your resources behind one family to the neglect of another is not necessarily a good plan - because even in close-knit and functional families, you can't simply assume that the needs of an adopted child are greater than the needs of a non-adopted one, or that the person who shouts loudest really needs more support.

RazzleDazzleEm · 02/06/2014 15:03

but it sounds to me as the DGP are going above and beyond for a child that desperately needs their support and for this they are only to be applauded

I would be concerned about any adoption where the support of the grandparents were needed to such an extreme degree requiring 4 day a week help and most weekends.

I understand the need or wish for the wider family involvement but not to this degree where they seem to be doing all the donkey work.

If I adopted a child I would do it with myself being the full time parent.

These GP cant even make their grandson some food FFS. They can't buy him a toy, all stuff normal grandparents do.

he supported the adoption and wants a relationship with his family......

But they don't seem to happy about it themselves and they do not like op or rather sil doesn't.

TillyTellTale · 02/06/2014 15:09
RazzleDazzleEm · 02/06/2014 15:13

isabellavine

Flowers you poor thing. I have also experienced twisted family dynamics like yours, its very difficult to explain to people....esp people who refuse to see it, or believe people can be so twisted.

I doubt the naysayers on this thread will take on board what you have said at all, just like your parents....

And to repeat, giving one child more time, due to SILS obvious in capacities does not stop them from providing their other GC with toys, and food. And nappies.

rootypig · 02/06/2014 15:16

That sounds appalling isabella and I'm sorry to hear about it. It sounds as though you've dealt with it as best anyone could and gone on to live your life - I applaud that (sounds condescending but really not meant to Blush).

I just don't think that this situation is that severe. The DGP are involved in OP's DC life. She is saying she wants that MORE, so my advice is to make it happen, instead of focusing on SIL preventing it or DGP not stepping up to the mark. It sounds as though they have their hands full / are being manipulated, probably a combination of both.

I also don't think that the OP's attitude sounds comparable to yours. The tit for tat, apparent lack of concern for SIL's child, breeziness about being the adoption reference - look, we're all only human, and all of that is understandable given the SIL's horrible treatment of her - but what I'm trying to suggest is it has no place in the decision about DC and DGP relationship. Which should only be about how DGP actually treat DC.

RazzleDazzleEm · 02/06/2014 15:18

It would have been meaningless purchasing for the sake of it, which the ten-month-old wouldn't even appreciate for a day!

Not meaningless to op and her DH though?

You can buy stuff for 10p at charity shops and the like or supermarkets,.....a rattle? A little teddy?

And the food Tilly.....they cant give him any food?

And the holiday, they just cancelled because their daughter who has adopted a child couldn't cope for a week on her own?

I don't see how the presence of her SIL's four-year-old can possibly be making the family implode or any of the recent claims

But the family is imploding, OP isn't happy and her DH isn't happy.

Either there is more going on which than op realises which means they have not deemed them to be close enough to be privy to the info...or they are being un fair just because......of lots of different reasons...

RazzleDazzleEm · 02/06/2014 15:19

It sounds as though they have their hands full / are being manipulated, probably a combination of both.

So they have been manipulated to the degree that they wont buy their GC a token gift? They wont prepare him food, they wont give him a nappy>?

rootypig · 02/06/2014 15:25

Razzle if the DGP were so hung up on not doing anything for the OP's DC, they wouldn't be looking after him at all, surely? like my mother A 4 year old is very different from a baby, they may simply not be confident about how best to feed him. MN boards are full of parents complaining that DGP won't take their views into account on feeding their DC! They may think that it's not worth keeping nappies in expressly for him if it's just for a morning.

I am not saying that this family and SIL particularly isn't appallingly dysfunctional. I have one of those myself, though along different lines from this. I just think that people are reading more into the DGP conduct specifically than is really fair from what the OP has said.

I've started threads myself about emotional problems and responses - entirely well meaning, so it wasn't a problem - have read problems where being in the situation, I knew there were none. I think being so certain, and encouraging the OP to such a specific course of action, is dangerous.

And with that I will take my own advice and wait for OP to return to thread Smile

TillyTellTale · 02/06/2014 15:27

Well, what does the ten-month-old eat? We don't even know. I expect the four-year-old eats family food.

Making sure you have a bag of oven chips/smiley faces in the freezer and some veg in the fridge is less demanding than making sure you have stage 2/3 Organix/Heinz baby mash of the flavour of the week. I'm sure I always brought the baby food over to MIL's, rather than sending her a shopping list of what they ate.

And what toys do you just randomly buy a ten-month-old? And why?Remember, a lot of things are marked 'not for under-threes, choking hazard'.

PhaedraIsMyName · 02/06/2014 15:31

Razzle you're making things up now. As for the nappies fgs if you leave a 10 month with anyone eho isn't a paid nursery you give a supply of nappies.

The OP has not said no gifts were ever bought, just not enough. And presumably OP's parents gave her child gifts?

RazzleDazzleEm · 02/06/2014 15:37

Oh dear Tilly are you a GP?

I cant believe so many of you think such in equality is ok, I look at my DD's there is no way I wouldn't for their sake if nothing else give one child a gift and not the others.

I just couldn't face my two daughters and give one's child a gift and not the other...for their sakes no matter how old or needy the children were.

I also know when you have a child with SN in the family you have to be careful not to leave the others out...as this can also cause issues.

And I am still struggling to see how with only two grandchildren they - the GP are struggling to be more equal.

My PILS have never had any issues providing the GC with food...whatever their ages.

If the GPS are so worried about it - why are they not asking op, what to feed the child.

They are not asking because they do not care and are not bothered about feeding him.

If they are worried about choking hazzards they need to buy him a book or a bath toy.

Jengnr · 02/06/2014 15:39

Grandparents that wouldn't feed my child on their watch unless I provided it wouldn't be looking after him frankly. And cancelling a holiday at the last minute with no good reason? I think the OP has got the message loud and clear. Her child doesn't matter.

I'd distance yourself and encourage your husband to do the same. Get him in nursery instead and them come to you if they want to see him. You'll see how much they bother then. Not much I suspect.

RazzleDazzleEm · 02/06/2014 15:39

Making sure you have a bag of oven chips/smiley faces in the freezer and some veg in the fridge is less demanding than making sure you have stage 2/3 Organix/Heinz baby mash of the flavour of the week

what a load of rubbish, so its hard is it to go to a shelf in the supermarket and put your hand out, to grab a jar of baby mush?

I would argue its less hard to do that, that root round in a supermarket freezer to get frozen stuff.

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