to wonder if UKIP is doing some kind od stealth campaign via mumsnet?

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Sorry this is a thread about threads...just seems to me there is something weird going on.....

I don't think it's that at all ComposHat, I think a lot of Mumsnetter's live in a little bubble and have lost touch with what's happening in the real world. They need to stop clinging onto New Labours hey day ( some 15 years ago ) & help make Labour re-electable again, if they put as much effort into that as they do slagging off UKIP, then job done IMO.

Shake

And what you makes you think that we all 'live in a little bubble?' My life is and has always been a mile away from the Boden and Vovlos mumsnet cliché. Along with a whole heap of other posters here, I know what it is like to be unemployed, short of cash, working for minimum wage and not sure how you'll pay the bills.

Where I differ is that I don't think the cause of hardship can be boiled down to migration or accept the simplistic solutions that Ukip offer.

YANBU OP. It's like being invaded by racist termites.

Shake problem is labours so called hey day wrecked the economy and so many other things it will take the conservatives ages to fix their mess.

Just to make it clear I would be just as bothered by any other party doing the same thing & I may be barking up the wrong tree . I really don't want to stiffle genuine debate & the termites can be really irritating.

Looks like coordianted infiltration to me goshhh

Yep

Shake problem is labours so called hey day wrecked the economy and so many other things it will take the conservatives ages to fix their mess.

Oh shite yeah... because Labour single handedly caused American banks to lend recklessly, caused Lehmann brothers to go under, bollocksed the Greek, Irish and Portuguese economies? Wow I never knew Alistair Darling and Gordon Brown had so much global power.

Wantsunshine, that's a monumentaly stupid comment.

Composhat, well said.

Compo

Absolutely. I accept that Labours mistakes have led to the rise in UKIP, even Labour accept that.

Happy to see Dave using the correct rhetoric regarding Brussels.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27583545

My new theory is that UKIP has been covertly promoted by the Tories, to make their own terrifyingly rightist policies look moderate.

I only just thought this up, but I like it a lot

-> -> -> -> look! -> -> ->> ->> it's the Overton window! ->> ->> ->>

if they were going to infiltrate then surely they'd do it before an election?

I just think it's topical. and nicely balances out with all the 'tory bastard' threads.

I know what it is like to be unemployed, short of cash, working for minimum wage and not sure how you'll pay the bills.

Hear, hear.

I think I know about that than Nigel farridge. And I'm not looking at my first/second generation immigrant colleagues to blame fir my woes. Immigrants have been the backbone of the nhs ever since it started.

It's all about the economy stupid. Blaming immigration is very convenient for all the political parties.

I live in a multicultural area and I totally respect the work ethic shown by so many.

Little bubble

My arse

You give them a lot of credit Nancy. They are such an amateurish organisation. The word's probably been put round; 'now we have been given some legitamacy, they can't dismiss us, we need to keep talking to friends and colleagues and people we meet about UKIP and our plan to get out of the EU and just keep talking and talking for the next 11 months'.

It's a sophisticated multi-phase marketing plan - not - but I wouldn't put it past them.

.....or you can accept that while you might not wish them to be part of the political landscape of the UK they represent the majority view in the latest elections, which is one of the pitfalls/joys (depending how you look at it) of living in a democracy. Dismiss them and patronise at your peril

Well most of the posters who state their Political alliance are Labour - "always have been, always will be".

Quite a number of them hold the view that Tories (and those who vote for them) are Scum, and UKIPm are C**nts.

So if any Political Party can be said to have "taken over" MN, I'd say it is Labour..........

you can accept that while you might not wish them to be part of the political landscape of the UK

Believe it or not I think we NEED them actually at this point.

they represent the majority view in the latest elections

I am well aware of that

Dismiss them and patronise at your peril

Look regardless of their stance/aims/policy/whatevs they are a dads army, kitchen table outfit (at least so far) It is part of their charm. Let's not pretend they have sophisticated strategising capabilities though (in fact they'll probably do better if they avoid acquiring any)

It's been very interesting reading the UKIP threads and the hysterical knee-jerk bigotry with which any mention of UKIP have been met.

On one thread, it took less than about ten posts to go from 'if you vote UKIP, you're a fucking cunt' to 'your father is a fucking moron for voting UKIP.'

I have wondered, given the ostentatious liberal colours flown over the years by many of these posters, whether this is what they teach their children: if you meet someone with different beliefs, don't bother listening to them, just pile straight in and call them horrible names.

It's been eye-opening, this ignorant invective.

FidelineandFumblin The strategy is bearing fruit and call me Dave is entering into the spirit of the revolution.

New Labour is going down the toilet and after the Tories implement a few policies it would be just like UKIP came to power.

Not just in this country but in France Sweden etc.

They don't have sophisticated strategising capabilities - yet. If you have any doubts as to whether those capabilities will ever be developed then I suggest you look no further than our SNP - it wasn't so very long ago that they were seen as a reactionary, fringe party too. UKIP received the backing of a majority of voters, and unless the other Parties sit up and take notice then that Dad's Army party will win the war - because lets face it, the others aren't exactly doing a fantastic job, are they?

It is a painful episode we have to go through -a 'put up or shut up' for the grumbling electorate. We'll see what happens. It is very unfortunate that so many UKIP enthusiasts are bigotted, if indeed there is some pure beating heart of UKIP in a jar somewhere, that isn't.