to wonder if UKIP is doing some kind od stealth campaign via mumsnet?

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Sorry this is a thread about threads...just seems to me there is something weird going on.....

I'm glad supporters of all parties post here and feel open to discuss issues that concern them. I've learned more about why people are voting UKIP on here than I have through the mainstream media.

I linked through to lots of articles and UKIP documents last night which make me feel very uncomfortable about the increasing support for them. I wouldn't have found those without reading through the various UKIP posts whilst up with a teething baby at 2am. I didn't, and never will, vote UKIP but I'm fascinated (and frankly terrified) as to why so many people have done.

There is no doubt in my mind that UKIP are "stealth" posting here, there is one poster in particular who keeps popping up and has a particular UKIP swagger (for want of a better word). I'm sure all parties do it though. That's just cranking the handle on the PR machine. They will reach a lot of people that way. And maybe even gain some ground. But I actually think it will be a small part of their undoing too. Because for every post I see toeing the party line I've read plenty more responses which are balanced (not all, but enough), rational and intelligent, and largely against UKIP. With evidence to substantiate that line of thought too.

The policy paper on "Britishness" stating that UKIP do not support multiculturalism but uniculturalusm, and that this will be achieved by reinforcing "Britishness" through pubs, politeness, not swearing (erm...isn't Farage a bit of a potty mouth?), cricket, wholesome local foods and Elgar was quite frankly laughable and equally terrifying. As all that came to mind in the small hours of this morning was Wagner, ersatz, acorn coffee and restoring pride in a downtrodden nation...

The link to that paper had far more sway on me than any pro-UKIP posts I've seen over the past few days. I just hope it will provoke possible future UKIP voters to think too.

Anyway - enjoy them all making alliances with, and voting alongside, the fascist parties that have also been elected.

I'm not sure that we even know what UKIP is for apart from some sort of woolly 'anti-immigration' stance (?) (look forward to getting enough A&E doctors if that becomes a reality)

It's anti-europe but content to take the pay and perks in return for doing...er...nothing apart from making friends with neonazis.

What else has it got?

I see Nigel Farridge as an extremely privileged man who has successfully played the race and immigration card, provided easy answers to complex questions in a bid to get on the gravy train and feather his nest with absolutely no prospect of any real power.

I do wonder though if UKIP has made some sort of deal with the BBC as the beeb seems to be their biggest fan and supporter at the moment.

I agree OP. The elections are over. How many people are really interested in starting threads on the political party they support? I think some of these threads are started by party activists to try and get more support for UKIP.

The policy paper on "Britishness" stating that UKIP do not support multiculturalism but uniculturalusm, and that this will be achieved by reinforcing "Britishness" through pubs, politeness, not swearing (erm...isn't Farage a bit of a potty mouth?), cricket, wholesome local foods and Elgar was quite frankly laughable and equally terrifying.

This says nothing to me about 'Britishness' - it's utterly bizarre

I've see a lot of threads where posters have defended UKIPs right to have the view where Europe is concerned and dismissing the hyperbole surrounding the scaremongering by the leftists.

But I haven't seen many threads just fawning over UKIP.

*My parents are life long labour voters, very left wing all their lives.

They voted UKIP. If people like this can be turned and persuaded then the main parties need to do more. *
If anything, UKIP ARE left wing. The fundamental principles involve trying to protect jobs etc. for working class people which I believe to be basically left wing

Regardless of whether or not there is some kind of sinister plot by UKIP to get MNetters talking about them on an open forum I think it's important to remember that no-one is actually holding a gun to our heads and making us post on these threads. People post about UKIP because they want to.

mama not disputing any of your list and I think they are vile.

but it's absolutely no good the main parties or mumsnetters smearing them negatively, we all know why UKIP are popular and that's to do with the perception of unrestrained immigration and loss of power to Brussels.

If these issues aren't acknowledged by the main parties and seem to be understood and dealt with then they will remain popular.

The fundamental principles involve trying to protect jobs etc. for working class people which I believe to be basically left wing

If they are the right colour/have the right accent

Ever seen the BNP literature put through doors on council estates? UKIP literature ain't far from that.

So if you voted for ukip you are frankly a racist, a fascist and a complete moron to sum it up? People have the right to have their own opinions and to say that I find incredibly insulting. I voted ukip..and im definitely not working for them trying to drum up debate! Just an ordinary mum..entitled to my own opinion (as the majority of you are). Im certainty not a racist either. Although sadly im being labeled one.

dismissing the hyperbole surrounding the scaremongering by the leftists.

soooo

UKIP will not ally with the far right parties on the european parliament?

Take away my maternity rights?

Take away eqiality legsilation?

What about the European Working Time Ditective?

You see the problem I have is all I see is a negative campaign based around some notions about 'immigrants' from eastern europe who are working over here in all sorts of jobs (although one discussion on mumsnet extended this to include pakistani muslims) and some utterly bizarre notions about women and homosexuals being effectively second class citizens in this utopia. Oh, and windfarms not popular...er...ok...

if you voted for ukip you are frankly a racist, a fascist and a complete moron to sum it up?

no no no

don't start with all that claptrap

I am merely pointing out the reality of what you have voted for.

I don't know if you are racist or fascist, I wouldn't assume that because you voted for UKIP but I would wonder if you had read any of their policy papers? Or if you are just disenchanted with the EU like so many other Europeans? Was it a protest vote to "teach" the main parties a lesson? Or will you vote UKIP next year too. I just wonder why it is you have voted UKIP, genuinely interested.

But to be fair, 'racist' and 'facist' are used regularly to describe UKIP and its voters on here and on many other forums

My parents are life long labour voters, very left wing all their lives.
They voted UKIP. If people like this can be turned and persuaded then the main parties need to do more

Well, I from the opposite pole to your parents.....and I voted UKIP. I am not racist, nor facist, nor deluded. We sent a clear message to Westminster: get things sorted or get out.

I'd be interested in debate from ordinary people & a genuine diversity of views. ( I am less interested in obvious pushing/campaigning by party members disguised as ordinary mumsnetters - it is disengenous to not be transparent) - such as this is why I am or am not voting a certain way. & by the way I am quite worried about the extreme right swing across Europe....it feels like a worrying set of circumstances.

princess my parents voted UKIP because they hate the EU and it's increasing Power over UK laws, (they voted against joining the common market in 73 as did many respected old labour figures).

They feel labour do not support them anymore or support working class people in general and they are afraid that the huge influx of Eastern Europeans will drive down wages so undoing decades of fighting for the working classes and undermine the unions.

That's why. Not saying I agree but it has to be shared and listened to. They aren't alone.

I'm not sure if it is paid activists at Ukip towers being told to troll the mumsent boards, but nutty Nige does seem to inspire cult like devotion amongst his followers and they seem to leap onto every talk board going.

They all tend to use a lot of capital letters as they are all very angry in a really dull, spiteful bitter kind of way. Either that or they've gummed up their capslock key abasing themselves over internet images of Nigel.

I actually think thatwhat we are grtting are genuine Ukip evangelists going amongst the godless, Islington dwelling, gay, one legged, Muslim lone parents of mumsnet and trying to get converts to their nasty little cause.

by the way I am quite worried about the extreme right swing across Europe....it feels like a worrying set of circumstances

It has happened because all those in power DID NOT LISTEN for the last 10 years or so. They did not believe it could happen. Now it has and they only have themselves to blame.

The BBC have been doing that though, sirch.

And I am not an SNP voter.

Very funny Compo

I love ComposHat usually, so put some capitals in just for her.

I am touched. star

yeah maybe you're right Compo.

People I know who've voted UKIP say things like 'yeah, that's shown 'em!' and if you ask what they mean come out with another similarly vague soundbite.

I do get that some people are concerned about immigration/powers to Europe in a way they feel isn't racist and in some ways when you get to the depth of detail they might have a point, but in others I think they are deluding themselves a bit.

And voting for a party that actively wants to make your life worse with shitty policies? Never going to end with sunshine and roses is it?

No they haven't Fanjo - the BBC has been simply been reporting the phenomenon that is UKIP. If the Scottish people decide to vote for them in defiance of our mad leader then that's up to them - they have a free will and brains in their skulls, and if that's how they wish to register their feelings then so be it. Don't forget that Alex likes to pretend that the BBC is England-centric - if that's the case then I would expected a negative reaction by the Scottish people to anything the BBC reported on UKIP, but that simply hasn't happened.