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Original poster

to be absolutely overjoyed with this!

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herecomesthesunlala · 27/05/2014 12:08

It is over 100 years since a national election has been won by a party other than the Conservatives and Labour.

What's more the UK Independence Party did it by winning seats not just in every region of England but in Wales and Scotland too!

UKIP opinions are the majority - FACT!

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herecomesthesunlala · 27/05/2014 17:07

*I am English, and should i have a baby anywhere in the world it would still be English.'

No actually, it would likely be eligible for dual citizenship and would probably identify with the country he or she was raised in.*

What's on your passport and you ethnical heritage are not the same thing though are they

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cardibach · 27/05/2014 17:07

Would your Jamaican born baby still be English if you had been born in Jamaica to English parents who had taken Jamaican citizenship, OP? What about if it's father was Jamaican (either by birth or because he had taken up citizenship)? Your baby can still be white if that helps you. DO you see the problem we are having with your views now?

gordyslovesheep · 27/05/2014 17:07

How can they not be ENGLISH if born in England - blimey UKIP do attract the brightest voters

My mum is Welsh - my dad was an immigrant - I was born in Liverpool

Ergo I am English - it's not a hard concept to grasp

squoosh · 27/05/2014 17:08

'They would be British, but not English, that's the point i was making. Skin colour is completely irrelivent'

So they'd be born in England and you would classify them as British but not English. You are making NO sense.

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herecomesthesunlala · 27/05/2014 17:09

But you are half from wherever your dad is from though, right? So you are half English half ?

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wobblyweebles · 27/05/2014 17:09

OP I paid taxes in the UK for 30 years despite being born abroad. Did I 'chip in' by your standards?

Deverethemuzzler · 27/05/2014 17:09

What for posting statistics and saying that a child carries the ethnicity from his mother? A British Jamaican would still say they are Jamaican, wouldn't they?

You have quite a thing for Jamaicans don't you OP?

Go on. Admit it. You would love to go there.

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squoosh · 27/05/2014 17:09

'What's on your passport and you ethnical heritage are not the same thing though are they'

Passports state country of birth, not country of origin of racist parent.

Deverethemuzzler · 27/05/2014 17:10

But you are half from wherever your dad is from though, right? So you are half English half ?

So my kids are half English and half...English?

wobblyweebles · 27/05/2014 17:10

Oh and my children are a combination of British, English, Scottish, and American. But their heritage is Russian.

probably isn't helping

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herecomesthesunlala · 27/05/2014 17:10

Would your Jamaican born baby still be English if you had been born in Jamaica to English parents who had taken Jamaican citizenship, OP? What about if it's father was Jamaican (either by birth or because he had taken up citizenship)? Your baby can still be white if that helps you. DO you see the problem we are having with your views now?

Yes, my parents would be English and so would i be. If the father was Jamaican and i was English then the baby would be both

Please don't be rude with the "it can be white if that helps" comments, it does not help and is a bit pathetic and off topic

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gordyslovesheep · 27/05/2014 17:10

OP you can't seem to decide if it is skin colour that's the issue or not

basically you are only classing people who are white as English - everyone else may well be born in England but has to call themselves after whatever their cultural heritage may be - how many generations do they have to go back for?

wigornian · 27/05/2014 17:10

Si the OP thinking in terms of ethnic "English", vs British as a nationality. I am not English, my mother is though, I was born in Canada and my father was West Indian/Scottish. I am not English am I? ethnically, or anything really since I am a mix, but I am British.

Deverethemuzzler · 27/05/2014 17:11

ethnical

cardibach · 27/05/2014 17:11

Actually, gordy, I'm afraid I don't agree with you there. You might have identified with any of the 3. I was born in England to Welsh parents and have always considered myself Welsh. I live in Wales now
OP, whether a voter is English, Welsh etc. is irrelevant. They are British and voting in the constituency in which they live. That is all that is required.

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herecomesthesunlala · 27/05/2014 17:12

Go on. Admit it. You would love to go there.

I've been, it's wonderful there and highly recommend anyone to go

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LtEveDallas · 27/05/2014 17:13

I'm English. My DD was born in Germany, DSD was born in Yorkshire. My DH is mixed race and Welsh.

My child is Welsh. DSD is Welsh.

I look white despite having a Roma background.
My DH is very slightly 'brown' (Mediterranean looking)
DD is white, but tans like a dream and then looks just like her father.
DSD looks like Snow White.

Right mixed bag in my house.
Thank fuck none of us listen to Kippers.

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herecomesthesunlala · 27/05/2014 17:13

"OP, whether a voter is English, Welsh etc. is irrelevant. They are British and voting in the constituency in which they live. That is all that is required."

Completely agree

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wigornian · 27/05/2014 17:13

gordyslovesheep, everything in moderation, I guess:

"Bleeding Heart"

  1. informal a. a person who is excessively softhearted b. ( as modifier ): a bleeding-heart liberal

dictionary.reference.com/browse/bleeding%20heart

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FidelineandFumblin · 27/05/2014 17:13

herecomes let's forget the terminological confusion for a sec.

If you're a Londoner, then you must realise that most of us Londoners like the huge diversity we have in London. I can see why some provincial Ukippers are having a happy week, but as a London Ukipper don't you feel as though you're on a doomed and lonely mission?

I mean what is the point? And don't you feel isolated? Do you have UKIP posters up? Do you feel safe?

gordyslovesheep · 27/05/2014 17:13

but that's your right - Cardi I am simply saying that the OP can't say I am not English ...since I was born here

Let's not give them an excuse to start plotting to send us 'home' just because you are happy there Grin

plus which half of me would have to go to Ireland and which bits would Wales get!

badtime · 27/05/2014 17:15

So the English parent, in my hypothetical situation, has no bearing on the nationality of the child. Okey dokey.

You didn't answer my question about who is better, NI me or my home-counties-of-immigrant-parents partner. Would you send any of us back where we came from?

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herecomesthesunlala · 27/05/2014 17:15

Why am i being verbally attacked for saying being English and British are 2 diffent things? You can live here for 5 years and be "british" but you can only be born English - It's a completly different thing. Many people who's parents are non-English british describe themselves as both

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cardibach · 27/05/2014 17:15

OP saying your baby could be white was NOT off topic. You were saying a black baby couldn't be English. I was trying to point out that a white baby could be Jamaican. Or did you miss that?
There is no such thing as ethnic English. Historically it is a mix of Celt, Germanic tribes like the Angles, Roman, Viking and Norman French (have I missed anyone?). Your passport says British, not English, Welsh etc.

Deverethemuzzler · 27/05/2014 17:15

I've been, it's wonderful there and highly recommend anyone to go

Not quite what I was getting at OP.