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Original poster

to be absolutely overjoyed with this!

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herecomesthesunlala · 27/05/2014 12:08

It is over 100 years since a national election has been won by a party other than the Conservatives and Labour.

What's more the UK Independence Party did it by winning seats not just in every region of England but in Wales and Scotland too!

UKIP opinions are the majority - FACT!

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gordyslovesheep · 27/05/2014 16:57

I'm confused as to where they are from!

squoosh · 27/05/2014 16:57

'Depends on the colour of their skin? If i had a baby in Jamaica, the baby would still be English and not Jamaican IYSWIM'

Oh the mask has truly slipped.

goshhhhhh · 27/05/2014 16:58

A belated apology Mrsskilly - sorry I misunderstood.

cardibach · 27/05/2014 16:58

Sorry, I keep getting confused by your British/English logic.

Simply - most people in London (by your figures) are British. Most of those (by applying logic) will be English. Not that I can see why that matters in an election for representatives of Britain in the EU...

gordyslovesheep · 27/05/2014 16:58

Depends on the colour of their skin? If i had a baby in Jamaica, the baby would still be English and not Jamaican IYSWIM why? because of your skin colour????

wigornian · 27/05/2014 16:59

gordyslovesheep et al. Not really trying to be goady - but apologies for the rambling post, essentially just contributing to the debate initially, and then, after seeing posts generalising about the intelligence of people who dared to vote UKIP, got a bit riled Shock - I think many stupid people vote Labour, but that does not mean that all Labour voters are stupid. Grin

Sorry too if I am not "on trend" with perfectly serviceable, if trite phrases "like bleeding heart liberal", outside London we're a bit behind the times. In relation to which I guess I was being a bit goady intentionally - many years of being sneered at by "right on, aren't I liberal and fluffy" people of the left saying that I cannot possibly be a Conservative if I'm black, or I must think this, or I must think that. Racial sterotypes, and I know UKIP do this too, are very tiresome.

Finally though, UKIP are not a fringe party and however much the Mumsnet consensus wishes it was, the hysterical vitriol really shows the membership up, it is a far from tolerant forum.

Brew
squoosh · 27/05/2014 16:59

'Really squoosh? I don't think so (and as I'm on your side)'

You think the majority of British people living in London are from Wales, Scotland and NI?

cardibach · 27/05/2014 17:00

Fideline perhaps we'll get some sense from you. Why wouldn't most British people in London be English? What would they be?

LtEveDallas · 27/05/2014 17:02

Depends on the colour of their skin

Seriously?

Oh my God. Well at least we can see exactly what kind of person is voting UKIP then. So very, very clearly.

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herecomesthesunlala · 27/05/2014 17:02

Do you not consider you children, for those of you who born outside the UK but have had children here, as being from your place of birth?

I am English, and should i have a baby anywhere in the world it would still be English.

I would really like to hear views on politics, UKIP V Other parties and why you voted the way you did - This seems to have gone off topic

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FidelineandFumblin · 27/05/2014 17:02

Might help to refer to the census classifications of ethnicity? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_ethnicity_in_the_United_Kingdom

Deverethemuzzler · 27/05/2014 17:02

Ha ha ha ha you loon.

You think your baby born in Jamaica would be more English than my children born to two English parents in England because my children are a bit brown?

You idiot.

gordyslovesheep · 27/05/2014 17:02

but using 'bleeding heart liberal' as an insult is very funny - as somebody said - like being kind, empathetic and understanding is a bad thing Grin

badtime · 27/05/2014 17:03

So, OP, if a white South African moved here and had a baby, would that baby be English or South African? What if the other parent was English?

Would the same apply if it was a black South African?

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herecomesthesunlala · 27/05/2014 17:03

Oh my God. Well at least we can see exactly what kind of person is voting UKIP then. So very, very clearly.

What for posting statistics and saying that a child carries the ethnicity from his mother? A British Jamaican would still say they are Jamaican, wouldn't they?

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squoosh · 27/05/2014 17:05

'I am English, and should i have a baby anywhere in the world it would still be English.'

No actually, it would likely be eligible for dual citizenship and would probably identify with the country he or she was raised in.

gordyslovesheep · 27/05/2014 17:05

but the baby would still BE English ...having been BORN in England you see

Igggi · 27/05/2014 17:05

If an English person has a baby in Scotland, would it be English or Scottish? Or couldn't it be both?
What if someone has a baby on an airp

gordyslovesheep · 27/05/2014 17:05
Igggi · 27/05/2014 17:05

Whoops, on an airplane, is it English? Martian?

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herecomesthesunlala · 27/05/2014 17:05

*So, OP, if a white South African moved here and had a baby, would that baby be English or South African? What if the other parent was English?

Would the same apply if it was a black South African?*

They would be British, but not English, that's the point i was making. Skin colour is completely irrelivent

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FidelineandFumblin · 27/05/2014 17:05

I do tend to think of it as a ethnic subtype of "white british" (but i may have spent too much time working with census and survey data)

Deverethemuzzler · 27/05/2014 17:06

Do you not consider you children, for those of you who born outside the UK but have had children here, as being from your place of birth?

Do you not consider your children, for those of you born inside the UK, but have had children here, as being from your place of birth?

Are you seriously trying to tell me that my kids, born in this country (two of them born in my bed at home) are not English because they are brown?

Tell me again about the whole non racist thing. I don't think I have quite grasped it.

AutumnStar · 27/05/2014 17:06

My head has fallen off. This has gone bonkers.

wig, what do you mean outside London we're unaware of on trend phrases? I am not from London. I'm just pointing out that your expression was rather..erm...Daily Express.

I think this thread shows Mumsnet is extremely tolerant, hence the anger and frustration directed at those WHO AREN'T.

wigornian · 27/05/2014 17:07

gordyslovesheep I get that, but despite its original etymology, the meaning has changed, in my view to be negative. It is funny to use as an insult, I agree - but things change. Something that is "Awful" is now not something that is "full of awe" - not quite the same, but you can see what I mean, no?