to be absolutely overjoyed with this!

[herecomesthesunlala]

It is over 100 years since a national election has been won by a party other than the Conservatives and Labour.

What's more the UK Independence Party did it by winning seats not just in every region of England but in Wales and Scotland too!

UKIP opinions are the majority - FACT!

You may or may not be racist OP but you are most Defiantly ignorant.

In OP's defence, she never used the word "darkie", or referred to it until the clarification since there was a danger it was being attributed to her.

Actually, aren't they all BNP in France?

You haven't answered my question OP.
Are.my.family.English?

I couldn't give a flying fuck about your family

OP my father is English, as is my mother.
My grandmother is English

My grandfather - god knows - he certainly didn't. He didn't even have a birth certificate, let alone know what country his parents were born in.

Am I still English?

I do love a Norman Archway ...omg I am so not English

"People who are English are from the country of England. On the other hand, British people are people who live in Great Britain (Britain) and the UK."

But you define "from" in an interesting way. According to you, someone can be born in England, to parents who are British citizens, can be brought up in England, can have spent their entire lives in England without ever setting foot even over the border into Wales, but they are still not English because they are not "from" England. That's where you differ from almost everyone else on this thread.

There have been black people in England (in small numbers, at least) since at least the twelfth century. In the late eighteenth century after the abolition of slavery, about 250 years ago, the black population numbered around 10-15,000. Are their descendants now allowed to refer to themselves as being "from" England and hence English?

I'm not sure where my children should be deported to. I need to straddle the Scotland/ England border as all my ancestors were born in one or the other back to the 1400s.

My children on the other hand have in addition Polish, German, French, Italian and Norwegian ancestors. Further complicated by some of the towns belonging to different countries in different years. No idea where I need to send them.

'I couldn't give a flying fuck about your family'

You're a nasty piece of racist work.

FN. They would be deeply unimpressed with the 7/8 of Anglo Saxon blood diluting their pure Frenchness.

OP, if you were to google "Nuremberg Laws" you might start to get some inkling of why so many people find the whole "degrees of Englishness" discussion so offensive, and maybe, possibly, even realise why many posters here are disgusted with both the minority of the minority of the voting population who voted UKIP and with the majority of the voting population who, by not voting at all, allowed those votes to have so much impact.

FWIW in 2011 the population of London was 8,173,941

Of these,

3,035,090 identified wholly as English
444,115 identified as "English and British"
94,538 identified as "English and some other identity" (Welsh/Scottish/Northern Irish/Cornish/Irish)

31,952 identified wholly as Welsh
7,081 identified as "Welsh and British"
9,339 identified as "Welsh and some other identity" (English/Scottish/Northern Irish/Cornish/Irish)

53,531 identified wholly as Scottish
11,344 identified as "Scottish and British"
9,339 identified as "Scottish and some other identity" (English/Welsh/Northern Irish/Cornish/Irish)

19,943 identified wholly as Northern Irish
2,530 identified as "Northern Irish and British"
3,238 identified as "Northern Irish and some other identity" (English/Welsh/Scottish/Cornish/Irish)

737 identified wholly as Cornish
141 identified as "Cornish and British"
337 identified as "Cornish and some other identity" (English/Welsh/Scottish/Northern Irish/Irish)

and an additional 2,526,808 considered themselves British but not anything else (so not English/Welsh/Scottish/Northern Irish/Cornish/Irish).

It does all get VERY confusing. My dad is English (ie. generations back born in England). My Mum is not but went to a top English private school in London (she is mixed Scottish and Asian), worked in Covent Garden Opera House and is culturally possibly more 'English' than my Dad in terms of her English, knowledge of English history/ music etc. I was born in Africa! Ha ha. I am not black (does it make a difference?). I probably look Italian or Greek if anything.

My dh is Sri Lankan, he is bilingual and only came here when he was 18 so definitely NOT English (but he holds a British passport). My kids were all born here. What are they, OP? What am I OP?

It's very complex, you see. A bit more complex than UKIP make it out.

I only mentioned being English/British to state why i thought the UKIP vote in London, with it's larger diversity etc differed from the rest of the UK, as i have already stated.

But i mentioned the word English so i must be racist and this political discussino must now end and be taken over by people asking how english they are? how childish and bigoted of you all

So is it degrees of englishness? I almost darent say this...like degrees of how Jewish you were?

I think it's actually pretty simple for them. Less family tree and more Dulux colour chart.

My Grandad was French, but only because he was born in a French colony in Africa to Italian and Spanish parents. Where do I go?

Is anyone else wondering what MN in Germany in the early 30s would sound like because I'm certainly starting to wonder and it scares me.

So, if OP is an average Kipper, can't do basic maths, can't understand basics of nationality (or biology, for that matter), that explains a lot.

I couldn't give a flying fuck about your family

on the contrary. You see a bit obsessed with my family.

What with them being non white Britons.

You even quote stats about them when you paint your picture of London (presumably its a black and white picture)

'how childish and bigoted of you all'

Oh you are a card OP!

OP what was the happy life-affirming message of UKIP you were hoping to share with us?

I actually think people are trying to make a point. If we spent less time looking at differences & thought about how we were in it together & then we as a nation might get somewhere. Blame only distracts from the real issues.

Aspiringhuman - my thoughts exactly. Scary indeed.

I don't know about the rest of you but I find it so reassuring when a UKIPper comes on MN to tell us about how non racist and normal they are.