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To object to a compulsory residential school trip?

137 replies

TheDietStartsTomorrow · 23/05/2014 10:09

My DS is starting secondary school in September. It's a different school from the one my older DC went to. This is a new school in its second year and the staff seem to have a lot of enthusiasm and a commitment to discipline, respect and high standards which is why I chose it for him.

The head talked about a no-opt policy for all pupils, indicating that everyone has to participate in everything regardless of their inclination, reasons or excuses. Because of this, they are quite firm about not making concessions for any pupils for any reasons whatsoover.

This brings us to the compulsory residential trip. It's three days in the Lake District, in November, just a couple of months after they start school. It's not entirely an educational trip- it's discussed as an opportunity to bond with other pupils and staff and get to know each other. My son, is not too keen to go for a number of reasons. He finds it very difficult to sleep in new places; sleeping in a tent seems to him, like the worse way to spend a night, never mind three; he has never been on a residential before and is very apprehensive about going away with people who are at the moment, still strangers to him; the school is very uncompromising on students individual needs and he feels will be forced to participate in activities that he doesn't want to; he will miss an important event at sports club he goes to outside of school that he is really looking forward to.

I, as his parent, also have some reservations. The school is totally uncompromising on faith issues and I feel that DS will be made to feel like he is different and mocked when he prays. The head teacher has also shown that he will not be very accommodating of his religious needs even though they are very simple requests (he needs a quiet corner of a library/classroom for 10 mins during their lunch break to pray during a school day and this request was not recieved very well by the head. That in itself, is another story and I want MNers opinion on that too in another thread so I can ascertain if we're being unreasonable).

I also feel that if he doesn't want to go, he shouldn't be forced to. There will be other opportunities to go on residentials when he is a little older and more familiar with his school teachers and by that time, his confidence will have hopefully grown so that he goes willingly.

So, AIBU to tell the head he will not be attending? Can the school impose this upon us if he doesn't want to go? Where do I stand and what advice would you give in such a situation?

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TeenAndTween · 23/05/2014 10:15

the school is very uncompromising on students individual needs

The school is totally uncompromising on faith issues

If you feel like this, these 2 points would make me question whether this is really the right school for you and your son.

Generally I am all for encouraging children to do things that are slightly out of their comfort zone. If they never push themselves they don't know what they can achieve. After all, what's the worst that can happen?

However I have never heard of a school insisting on a residential before, and your school doesn't sound very child friendly at all.

I would find a different school.

Sneepy · 23/05/2014 10:16

It seems that this might not be the right school for your son. Is it possible for him to change to a school that offers more flexibility? You don't want to spend the next 6 or so years fighting battles.

wonderingsoul · 23/05/2014 10:16

No..he.can't make him go, nor can.he punish him.for not going.

It.sounds very strange to me and worrying.

I am also intruiged to know what they do if some one can't afford told it?

Gertrudepie · 23/05/2014 10:17

Two nights, in the Lakes, in a tent in November? I bet you son won't be the only one who doesn't go.

I have no idea whether he can be forced to go - I suspect not. Irrespective of that, it seems odd to chose that school because you liked its ethos but then seek to undermine its ethos when you consider it would impact on your son.

tripecity · 23/05/2014 10:17

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CoffeeTea103 · 23/05/2014 10:17

So you do know about the no-opt policy and still enrolled him?

I think your DS reasons are not good enough, it's really good that they are making such an attempt for children to bond and I'm sure some good skills will be taught along. If your DS doesn't go, and starts to feel excluded I'm sure you will have a problem with that.
Doesn't seem like this school is the right one.

StealthPolarBear · 23/05/2014 10:18

Yes I agree my first thoughts were this is not the right school for your child. Or imo anyone's child - I thought schools were meant to treat children as individuals and be responsive to their needs!

CadleCrap · 23/05/2014 10:18

If you are having such major issues with the school before he even starts why not send him to another one?

pointythings · 23/05/2014 10:20

That sounds like a dreadful school, OP. Is it one of those 'my way or the highway' Academies or Free Schools? A school that will not accommodate a student's individual needs can in my opinion never, ever be a good school. Forcing pupils to go on residentials, forcing them into activities they may not be keen on (outside of the curriculum, obviously, otherwise no-one would go to maths lessons...) - it all sounds awful. I woudl be looking for another school.

Did the school not make its stance clear to you when you applied for it? Confused

LongTimeLurking · 23/05/2014 10:22

" The school is totally uncompromising on faith issues and I feel that DS will be made to feel like he is different and mocked when he prays

Because of this, they are quite firm about not making concessions for any pupils for any reasons whatsoover

the school is very uncompromising on students individual needs "

Based on those three statements the obvious question is why the hell did you pick this school? It does not sound like a good school at all.

No they can't force him to go and neither should you.

Hakluyt · 23/05/2014 10:23

Are you absolutely sure they are taking an entire year group of 10 and 11 year olds camping in the Lakes in November?

VivaLeBeaver · 23/05/2014 10:25

the school is very uncompromising on students individual needs

Others got there before me but I'd be looking for a new school. There's a school like this in town. Gets great exam results but I didnt send dd there. Sent her to the crapish result comp with good pastoral care.

Floralnomad · 23/05/2014 10:25

I can't imagine anyone with any sense is going to take a group of 11 yr olds camping in The Lake District in November ,its utter madness . I agree with everyone else this school doesn't sound like a good fit for your DS.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 23/05/2014 10:26

Your main reasons
"He finds it very difficult to sleep in new places; sleeping in a tent seems to him, like the worse way to spend a night, never mind three; he has never been on a residential before and is very apprehensive about going away with people who are at the moment, still strangers to him; the school is very uncompromising on students individual needs and he feels will be forced to participate in activities that he doesn't want to;"

probably apply to most children and going on residential is quite a good way for them to mix and bond with other children. Residential trips are quite common in schools DS1 went on his first residential in Yr4 and has had one every year since. Also a quite few children will have been away with brownies / cubs / scouts etc. I went on guide camp every year and my brother went away with the Army Cadets.

My DS are muslim as is DH and the school doesn't allow them a place to pray (nor do any of the local schools in a very mixed part of London) although parents can get permission to take them to the mosque on a Friday lunchtime. DS1 (age 10 Yr 6) just catches up with the prayers when he gets in from school.

DH is North African and residential school trips were a totally new concept to him when DS1 went on his first trip so it did seem rather strange to him. However, he could see how much DS1 got out of it. They can be a good learning experience for the children and your DS will feel left out when they all spend the 3 weeks after they get back talking about what went on during the trip.

VivaLeBeaver · 23/05/2014 10:27

Yes camping in November in the Lakes seems an odd choice of residential. It could be snowing. Do the school provide the season 4 sleeping bags? They're not cheap for a warm one which he will need.

Viviennemary · 23/05/2014 10:31

I don't think the school could make him go. But on the other hand you chose this school and knew their policies about compulsory activities. I'd look for a different school. The Lake District can be totally freezing in November.

riskit4abiskit · 23/05/2014 10:31

Are they actually staying at one of those outward bound centres?

JuniDD · 23/05/2014 10:33

Side issue, but I believe the school has a duty to provide a place for your son to pray. Equality Act 2010, the HT shouldn't be awkward about that.

Petrasmumma · 23/05/2014 10:49

I can see what they are trying to do - getting the year to bond is a great idea but their plan seems strange.

First off, you've signed up for a day school which to me means they have no compulsory hold on your child on an overnight basis.
Furthermore, being away from home for the first time is significant and some children are not ready at 11. Only a parent can make that call and if they do, the school is in no position to second guess them.

The November timing is odd, as groups will have already become established. It's also not a reasonable time of year to be under canvas; my DD who is a seasoned camper, has all the D of E awards and loves the Lake District, but said "...November? no way...."

As for what you tell the school, I wouldn't try to reason with them before the trip. If DS still doesn't want to go when November comes, suggest you call him in sick with stomach flu or similar on the day. That way the situation can be construed as him missing out, what a shame rather than you being labelled negatively so early on.

Hakluyt · 23/05/2014 10:57

"I, as his parent, also have some reservations. The school is totally uncompromising on faith issues and I feel that DS will be made to feel like he is different and mocked when he prays."
Why are you even thinking of sending your child to this school?

meditrina · 23/05/2014 11:07

This school may have been Hobson's choice for OP.

It's not uncommon for secondaries to have these sorts of activity weeks in the first term of year 7. They are important, and your DS should attend.

You do however need to keep negotiating with the school about religious requirements. Have you talked to representatives from you faith who might be able to help you in this negotiation?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 23/05/2014 11:07

JuniDD
I don't think the Act specifically requires it. I think it would fall under the "advancing the equality of opportunity" provisions in s149. There is an argument the OP could use under s149(3)(b)

"(3)Having due regard to the need to advance equality of opportunity between persons who share a relevant protected characteristic and persons who do not share it involves having due regard, in particular, to the need to .

(b)take steps to meet the needs of persons who share a relevant protected characteristic that are different from the needs of persons who do not share it;"

I am not sure how "having due regard" would be interpreted if the school could show that it would present problems or that they couldn't accomodate similar requests from all religions

vindscreenviper · 23/05/2014 11:26

Is the trip compulsory because the school will be closed on those dates TheDiet? I know of a school that opened last year with about 30 pupils and they do this, one child whose parents couldn't afford the cost of a trip was left at home that day Sad. Said school is supposed to have a strong Christian ethos too.

calmet · 23/05/2014 11:30

My secondary school also had a compulsory residential trip for all pupils who started at the school. If a child hadn't went, they would have felt very left out, as everyone did go.

Whether you agree with it or not, the school has made its philosophy clear. So if it doesn't suit you, then maybe this school isn't for you.

HercShipwright · 23/05/2014 11:31

If the trip isn't free they can't make you do it.

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