AIBU to join Hunt Saboteurs?

[DogCalledRudis]

I already support them.
They put links on my facebook and i really really want to be one of them.

Thanks can't

I'm fairly ambivalent about Fox hunting, I do feel that people come before animals & hope that parliament put their resources to better use.

frosty foxes do still get chased and killed

Why don't hunts just have a sign that states 'For every sab who interferes with the hunt 5 foxes will be shot'

Whether you actually go and shoot a single fox or not doesn't really matter. What matters is how the sabs react, if they still interfere then they don't give a fuck about the animal they are 'trying to save' and are just a mob of aggressive idiots who should be removed with reasonable force if necessary.

Thankfully non have tried to interfere with my horse as he has been known to kick out with surprising accuracy

frosty foxes??

Oh,

Why argue with someone like the OP, absolutely not worth it.

It is sad that people put so much effort, time and emotion when just a little bit of that put towards human charities would really make differences in peoples lives.

Am I daring to suggest that a disabled, ill or elderly person is valued more than a fox - you bet.

dozie. That is quite an assumption you have made. What makes you think people do not support more than one issue close to their heart?
I guess some people are just tired of the way the human species brings fear, distress and death to the animals of planet Earth. But then again, they have also been doing it to each other since time began so I guess the animals never stood a chance.

I feel sorrier for lambs and so on than I do for foxes aT least foxes do not have to give birth and then have their children taken away to be eaten do they?

Why argue with someone like the OP, absolutely not worth it.

It's the same as arguing with a toddler, there is no reasonable thought process.

I hate the term "sabs", it kind of validates a form of terrorism (at it's worst). They should be called illegal activists or something beginning with F. No other organisation has a nickname that they think makes them sound edgy.

Frances Foxes are simply doing what nature intended. The mantra of country living according to the hunt brigade.... If it moves, shoot it, snare it, gas it, tear it apart, batter it.

the thing is cant, foxes are not doing what nature intended because they have no natural predator

But, Nigella, they are being natural, they are the predator, top of their food chain.

Just like badgers, lions.... humans....

yes but they were not supposed to be

Originally foxes would have been predated by bears and wolves, before humans wiped them out of Britain. Wolves hunt in packs so arguably a pack of hounds is simply mimicking the fox's original natural predator?

exactly select, not that I am saying it is a good thing that foxes' natural predators have themselves been enclosed/hunted out of existence, but that is how it is now.

I think most hunt sabs don't give a shit about foxes. They just enjoy feeling all moralistic about something, get a kick out of the drama and have a chip on their shoulder about what they see as elitism.

Mmm. Lying here in the sun. Horses at rest in field all peaceful. oh look a six inch scar where a sab tried after shutting horse in a gateway to cut the reins.

You know what?

Like it or not, those of you who like to hunt fox just because it gives you a kick, are a dying breed.

Get used to it.

select. So what/who are the terrier men mimicking when they send their dogs down to get a fox who has gone to ground. Who are the hangers on mimicking when they go round blocking up old badger sets the day before a hunt so a fox has no means of escape when confronted with a baying pack of hounds. Who are the hunt staff mimicking when they 'bag' a live fox and then release it in the vicinity of hounds.
People hunt because it's fun and exciting. They get a kick out of it. They cheer when a fox is killed. They smear fox blood on the faces of young or new followers. They love the spectacle and the tradition.

Whoa, steady cantbelieve. If you read upthread you'll see I don't hunt and have never hunted, so I don't know all the ins and outs of what goes on at a hunt. I'm just musing out loud about what constitutes a 'natural predator'.

select. Fair enough

"...Foxes kill for entertainment, all the chickens, not to eat, but for fun..."
No they don't Elephant! They are opportunist hunters which exhibit caching behaviour if they are not disturbed after a kill. When they get into a chicken coup they have a wonderful buffet laid out for them. Not knowing when they are likely to have that opportunity again they kill as many as they can. What they will do, if the corpses aren't cleaned up and the fox hasn't been scared away, is come back repeatedly (they can only carry one chicken at a time after all) and collect the birds, go back to their territory and bury them for later. This is basic fox behaviour, and it really is about time that people stopped believing (and spreading) the "foxes kill for fun" bullshit.

"So, rats were nice to humans during the black death"
New findings suggest that this "fact" may not be accurate after all partialderivative:
"...According to scientists working at Public Health England in Porton Down, for any plague to spread at such a pace it must have got into the lungs of victims who were malnourished and then been spread by coughs and sneezes. It was therefore a pneumonic plague rather than a bubonic plague. Infection was spread human to human, rather than by rat fleas that bit a sick person and then bit another victim..."

What about the do good townies who release urban foxes in rural areas . Where they do not know how to hunt for food as they are foragers and spread nasty diseases into the rural populations. Is that fair ?

do good townies. Well, that's a new one for sure

Like it or not, those of you who like to hunt fox just because it gives you a kick, are a dying breed

Really? News to me.

Select People hunt because it's fun and exciting. They get a kick out of it. They cheer when a fox is killed. They smear fox blood on the faces of young or new followers. They love the spectacle and the tradition.

Sounds like a Jilly Cooper novel.

I hunt because my horses have always enjoyed it, it gives them something to break up the monotony of competing and gets a young or nervous horse going forwards in company. You get access to land and fields and jumps because the hunt does all the work. I've tried a drag hunt and it was rubbish, too fast and bad for the horse's legs, it was just over a cross country course that we'd done plenty of times before, and its died a death now anyway.

The hunts around me are traditional and run by the local leading lights in the area. Some of them are posh, some of them are more business types. Never seen any sabs or antis and I don't fancy their chances in taking that lot on. Theres way more foot followers now than before the ban, and its way more popular. Which is good, because it means theres often someone on foot to open a gate.

I hardly hunt that much but try to make myself go out 3 or 4 times a season. I hate it because its cold. I have no interest in what goes on a the "sharp end", never seen it, too busy trying to keep my horse under control.

I would think that's more representative of the reality of hunting than some bullying obsessive trying to tell people what they think, or someone who's read too much Jilly Cooper. Who the fuck smears blood on faces? "The spectacle and the tradition" - well, its not something I think about as I'm there to forge a better partnership with my horse, but I guess it does look quite nice at times. Like a lot of things do. I couldn't honestly tell you much about the traditions of the hunt but I guess some of the hunt jumps are quite old?

Yes.
Really Chelsy.