AIBU to join Hunt Saboteurs?

[DogCalledRudis]

I already support them.
They put links on my facebook and i really really want to be one of them.

To be perfectly frank, I thought the trailer for A Minority Pastime was very histrionic. If that's the most thuggish huntspeople they can find, the antis must be remarkably fragile indeed. You find bigger thugs on OAP discount day in B&Q! I thought some of the antis interviewed were either really overdoing the sadness at the thought act or they really are that emotionally histrionic. Their descriptions are so over the top and so generalised and non-specific - scary noises, fgs? And why are they so obsessed with their cars? Can they not be antis on foot or by bike? Its so dangerous to use a car as a weapon, especially when there are so many animals around.

I honestly wouldn't use that trailer as an anti video - without belittling genuine concerns of animal welfare, it just comes across as muddled and a bit idiotic.

I think I must have watched the wrong thing, I googled it and used the youtube link. It's only 2min long and we look at foxes for about 1min of that

ThatBloodyWoman is there any chance you could stop stalking me and asking me off topic questions? Why me? Why do you keep asking me specifically about seal culls? Is this some anti tactic you have learned, along with the equally unsuccessful "its right because I say its right in a bossy tone" one?

You're not one of those histrionic women in the trailer, are you? You're the one who keeps asking me who I hunt with, aren't you? You honestly would be welcome to come out on one of the few days each year I hunt, with whatever hunt that happened to be, but I might take along ear plugs for me and the horse!

mind you might be quite funny to have a real life stalker as I suspect youre a lot less bombastic away from the internet

I think I must have watched the wrong thing, I googled it and used the youtube link. It's only 2min long and we look at foxes for about 1min of that

There is an extended trailer, but I would estimate around 50% of it is composed of women being interviewed in rooms in houses handwringing about the terrors and horrors all around them.

Chelsy don't flatter yourself, and don't make such ridiculous accusations.

Seal culls are not off topic.

The Hunt saboteurs association is involved in opposing the seal cull in Scotland, as I pointed out.

How is that off topic on a thread about hunt saboteurs?

I wondered if you disagree with all of the HSA's involvements, or just some.

Might be best to leave the bloody woman to stew now Chelsy. Only so much you cab do

Lovely to see you're back now you have someone elses skirts to hide behind again 50.

Just busy drowning kittens dear

Rats were bad during black death because people were quite unhygienic.
I the state where I live there have been two confirmed outbreaks of bubonic plague in the last ten years. Even though it's treatable if caught early enough people can, and do, still die from it.

It was bad during the Middle Ages because a) people didn't know what caused it and as a result they failed to cull the rat population sufficiently, b) they had no way of treating it, and - maybe most importantly - c) it mutated, became airborne, and was transmittable directly from person to person.

Btw, if you're an anarchist then I assume you'll be against all laws, including the ones restricting hunting? No? Bloody useless anarchist then.

OP, of course you're not being unreasonable to join the hunt saboteurs. You can always unjoin them if you change your mind. Presumably hunt sabbing would not still exist if all hunts operated as they should.

There seems to be a lot of overblown stereotyping on this thread, depicting hunt sabs as some sort of anarchic terrorists whose mission is to cause damage and even hurt animals involved in the hunt.

For example, a few posts up, from maninawomansworld:
This thread however is specifically about' saboteurs' and they are , without exception, lawless thugs who have no idea about foxes, hunting, the countryside or common decency to their fellow man.

They disgust me just as they disgust most right minded people whether they live in town or country. Their actions and propaganda divert attention from very worthy animal rights causes and they should be thoroughly ashamed. They are doing the wider issue of animal rights untold harm to try and score a few political points or worse, just so they can have a scrap.

The hunt sabs I came across years ago were not 'lawless thugs' - they were vegans/vegetarians first and foremost, whose objective was to prevent foxes being killed by the hunt. They knew an awful lot about foxes, hunting etc - they had to be knowledgeable to have any hope of saving the fox. As for diverting attention from 'very worthy animal rights causes' - a point made in various guises on this thread - there isn't a finite amount of support or attention available. Supporting one cause does not preclude another from being supported or addressed at the same time.

There is a finite amount of money though. I find it difficult personally to see the money the RSPCA has spent on paying barristers to prosecute Hunting Act cases as anything other than wasted, when I think how much suffering that money could have relieved for animals who spend every minute of every day in pain/squalor/inhumane conditions.

The hunt sabs I came across years ago were not 'lawless thugs' - they were vegans/vegetarians first and foremost, whose objective was to prevent foxes being killed by the hunt. They knew an awful lot about foxes, hunting etc - they had to be knowledgeable to have any hope of saving the fox.

Try telling that to the masked , hooded thugs 'animal rights' activists who I found milling around in front of my house at dusk a couple of years back (over a quarter of a mile from the nearest public road or footpath so no excusing them as 'lost' as they tried to with the police).
They were swiftly rounded up and one is currently serving 6 years inside for various offences including GBH and assault with a deadly weapon. Thank god it was me who found them and not DW!

As for diverting attention from 'very worthy animal rights causes' - a point made in various guises on this thread - there isn't a finite amount of support or attention available. Supporting one cause does not preclude another from being supported or addressed at the same time.

Sorry but I disagree with you. The vast majority of the general public are relatively apathetic and only have so much stomach for issues such as this. If the issue is dominated in the media / on youtube / forums such as this by the whole debate surrounding extremists then it is time and energy NOT spent debating the millions of genuine cases of extreme animal cruelty that occur every day.
Why are people sat here attacking hunters when we could be pressuring people like the chinese to stop boiling dogs alive because they believe the fear and adrenaline makes the meat more tender? We could be trying to stop the force feeding of ducks and geese in factory farm conditions to make their livers suitable for pate, we could be trying to educate people about battery farming where millions and millions of animals never see daylight and how they , the ordinary consumer can help stop this by voting with their purses.

But no... instead we have a few extremists who have a bee in their bonnets after swallowing some secondhand propaganda who continue to dominate the agenda with an issue that is at best a footnote when you consider the real animal rights abuses taking place every day.

selectausername Bang on, it's about time the RSPCA lost its royal charter and charitable status.

man don't you have 2000 acres to farm and some newts to save?

I am still reading this. I frankly am horrified by the number of anti animal rights people.

You mean, you're horrified by the number of people who don't agree with you that disrupting a usually-legal activity by often-illegal, violent and intimidating means is a hunky-dory choice of activity.

Of course conflict is inevitable, when you are trying to fight for something. However, just standing with a placard does have little effect.

Dog, I think the issue is that people are saying

"Be against fox hunting by all means. But maybe a non-violent form of opposition, such as reporting illegal hunting, raising awareness etc might be preferable to doing something that often ends up in animals and people being hurt and has very limited effectiveness in preventing the hunting of foxes"

but you are saying

"No. I want a proper scrap. Even if a horse gets hurt or a ten year old gets called a cunt or thrown from their horse. That's the best way to help animal rights. I am an anarchist me."

This thread confirms most of my worst stereotypes and prejudices against country people.

Wow, these days people get cross with you if you buy toy guns for your children. Now somebody takes 10yo to blood sports. How nice

If you didn't already know that children go hunting, OP, then I wonder what other basic facts you might be missing. I suggest you do a good deal more research into the topic before aligning yourself to any particular group or organisation. It's never a good idea to get deeply involved with something, especially something that could end up with you being arrested if things get out of hand, without understanding a lot more about the subject than the knowledge you have displayed on this thread to date.

fascicle, that is because they are the sabs some of us have met.

I have been threatened every year of my adult life just for living rurally. I have had people follow me home, stand in my garden and yell through bullhorns, set off those loud air horns, send dogs into my garden and complain when the stock fence gave them a shock, threaten me with legal suits, been pushed, had my car damaged, been sworn at, blocked in and out of my home/village.

I live through this only because I live rurally. Not because I hunt, have signs up saying I love hunting or anything else. I just happen to live in a rural village.

As I have said before hunt followers are also irritating and rude but nowhere near as scary.

Read back my posts here, you will see that I have met the professional sabs, the deranged loonies that believe that hurting humans is justified if you are trying to save an animal.

I can also attest to the fact that the pictures and films anti vivisectionists, specifically, use are so out of date and edited that they are a lie from beginning to end. I can do this because I recognise some of the photos they still use, from way back when I was about 18. The acts that they depict no longer occur in labs in the UK/Europe. But still they use them to stir up feelings - and raise money.

Oh, I recognise the pictures because I am related to the government vet who took them! In one film he is clearly visible, identified on the soundtrack as the monster cruelly torturing dogs. They claim they took the footage in about 2009. Actually the film is of him decommissioning a centre back in 1986. He died in 1996.

Country people dont all support hunting (from new forest originally)

I dont see a problem with drag hunting, my other gripes were mentioned in my first post, ie uncontrolled hunts spilling out, killing of random animals, etc which observers can help keep in check.

Sab's obviously attract the 'rent a mob', but unfortunatly any kind of demo does. It irritates me when i see them smoking tobacco (of which the farming and production causes massive damage to environment!)

In fact i would like to be an official legal observer. As i'm physically not exactly the type of person to run around in ski mask. And our local teams, not only sabs, but various campaigners, do have legal observers because police cannot always be trusted.

As for children hunting, i know that. There also are children smoking, children viewing porn, etc.

Difference is Dog, children smoking or viewing porn is illegal. Children hunting, so long as the hunting is taking place within the law, which most (although I appreciate not all) does, is legal.

I really think you need to be very clear about what is and isn't legal before you become a hunt monitor, as it's not coming across so far.

There is training for that, i'm just waiting until they hold a next session.
Also legal doesn't alway stand for right.