AIBU to join Hunt Saboteurs?

[DogCalledRudis]

I already support them.
They put links on my facebook and i really really want to be one of them.

[frostyfingers]

Can't - you agree that waiting for people outside their houses and following horseboxes to a meet is reasonable behaviour do you? I'd call that harassment. That surrounding cars and rocking them because the sabs believe that the occupants are related to the hunt is ok? That throwing buckets of water over horses and riders is ok? That trawling through Facebook for images of people who they believe are involved in hunting/shooting and then tagging them and calling for them to die/have an accident/become terminally ill is ok? That revelling in the death of someone who was killed in a non related hunting accident on the road is ok?

These are all recent experiences and examples, they are outrageous.

I hunt, I do not derive please and fun from the hunting and killing of wild animals because it does not happen - we hunt within the law, because it is the law and the harassment that we endure is nothing to do with making sure we follow that law. I suspect many of the hunt sab groups consider their day out as Saturday afternoon entertainment. If you want to catch someone breaking the law why don't you stomp around football matches wearing balaclavas and hurling foul language at the fans......?

[FrancesNiadova]

I don't like foxes, they're not the fluffy wuffy creatures of picture books.

I'm not fussed either way about the hunt. Of course the Fox suffers. The hunt is a vital part of country life/business.

What does really make me angry is that with a massive recession on our doorstep, the situation in Afghanistan & Iraq, women's rights in India (rape problems), Some African Countries (FGM), Saudi (driving whilst female), Pakistan(girls education), UK increase in poverty & use of food banks, HOURS & HOURS of parliamentary time, money & resources were spent on the rights of the Fox! .

Sod the Fox, PROTECT THE HUMAN!

[cantbelievethisishppening]

frosty obviously reading and understanding a post is beyond you. Not sure where I have condoned intimidation and harassment.

[cantbelievethisishppening]

frances the hunt is NOT a vital part of country life/ business. 80% of rural dwellers oppose hunting. The Cuntryside Alliance have obviously got you fooled.

[NigellasDealer]

good point frances.
hunt sabs are so dim it is un-fucking-believable.
there was one on the hunt my dd attended who stood there waving his arms around and they just gallopped round him laughing.
mind you most sabs stick to easy targets around the home counties they would shit themselves if faced by some serious farmers on horseback, haha.

[cantbelievethisishppening]

Nigella Truly profound

[NigellasDealer]

thank you I know

[NigellasDealer]

but it is actually true, hunt sabs are pussies who target eg the Vale of Aylesbury.

[cantbelievethisishppening]

Well Nigella given that you are clearly a self proclaimed expert on stabbing then you must be right

[NigellasDealer]

stabbing? wtf? - I am just reporting what I have come across

[cantbelievethisishppening]

Oh I do apologise..... Sabbing....as you obviously know. Good for you Frances. You keep rolling out generalisation based on your own limited experiences.

[cantbelievethisishppening]

Whoops.....Nigella...of course

[NigellasDealer]

not that limited though

[Andro]

Not sure where I have condoned intimidation and harassment.

You haven't condoned it, but you have given the impression (intentionally or otherwise) of minimizing their (by your own admission) sometimes appalling behaviour. I can assure you that the harassment, intimidation and injuries or worse (to riders, horses and hounds) doesn't 'pale into insignificance' against anything.

[Andro]

the, not their

[cantbelievethisishppening]

Well that's great for you Nigella.
As things stand, I do not condone threatening of intimidating behaviour by sabs. I have said that more than once in previous posts. That said, the behaviour of hunt supporters towards monitors, not sabs, is in some cases just as vile.
My opinion of those who engage in any bloodsports is very low. It tells me everything I need to know about a person
I suspect Cameron is unlikely to ever offer parliamentary time on a vote for repeal but if he did there are still enough MP's who will oppose it...thankfully.
There is a very wide chasm between those who support and those who oppose. As has been pointed out, it has been done to death and there will never be any agreement so I figure there is little point in engaging in dialogue....yes??

[cantbelievethisishppening]

Andro You are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine. Let's just agree to disagree on this one.

[FrancesNiadova]

What part of protect the human is it that warrants your rather personal attacks on my life experiences & my general intelligence can't believe?

Please stick to the points raised in the discussion. I'm really not interested in comments made about me, you do not know me & therefore your personality points are irrelevant.

Stick to the discussion please

[NigellasDealer]

well in that case why are you entering into dialogue about it cant? if there is little point to it, yes?

[cantbelievethisishppening]

As I have said Frances this has been done to death so perhaps now is the time to move on. Your discussion is based on your own views and the fact that there are more pressing issues to deal with. That in itself does not mean other issues should be ignored. That said, I suspect Cameron will adopt the same approach as you and not waste anymore time on debating the hunting act. That should of course please you.

At no point have I personally 'attacked' your life. If you have perceived my post as attacking then I apologise.

[Fleta]

If anyone is fervently anti-hunting then that is their absolute right.

If anyone is fervently anti-hunting and wants to join an organisation that would deliberately, DELIBERATELY hurt other animals and people is an absolute prick of the highest order.

By all means OP, make a stand but do it in a way that doesn't belittle what you believe in by being a fool

[cantbelievethisishppening]

Nigella yes.

[frostyfingers]

Cant - you seem to miss the point that hunting no longer involves chasing and killing......

[cantbelievethisishppening]

frosty if only that were the case

[Andro]

cantbelievethisishppening - perhaps we should agree to disagree. I know that some of the hunt followers can be shockingly bad in how they behave, that behaviour should be dealt with accordingly and preferably by the police. Equally, when a horse/hound/rider is injured by the dangerous and irresponsible actions of the sabs, the sabs in question should face criminal charges.

Neither one pales into insignificance against the other!

(I've never ridden with a hunt going after a live fox, I ride with a drag hunt and completely within the law)