to ask -what is the problem with UKIP

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that Mners seem to have? I have read through their manifesto and it seems all very reasonable to me.
I can't see why opposing 'open door' immigration, and wanting out of Europe , invokes so much hatred on MN?

So, Im trying to work out how the local housing for people whos parents and grandparents policy is going to work. Right, so Mr and Mrs Browns grandson, doesnt work but wants a flat near family in order for that to happen Mr and Mrs Purple who are working and need to near their work cant have that social housing because their Grandparents were not born locally, wow isnt that just fair and great eh.

Can the UKIP supporters explain to me exactly why they want out of Europe, and what they think that will do to the thousands of small companies here in the UK who wont be able to afford to trade?

They're the BNP but with a tiny bit of varnish. I don't vote for sexist homophobic disablist racist xenophobes. That's pretty much what's wrong with them.

I just would welcome more special schools BaronDent I have briefly skimmed their policy they state that inclusion does not always work and I agree with that for my child anyway and about communities for people with disabilities ,well I,m not sure ,my son is very young he is a very much loved and wanted part of the family ,I want him to be as independent as he can be but as an a adult I think he will always need support I will do this as long as I can but I worry who will look after him when me and his dad are not around anymore.

•Re-examine the policy of ‘inclusion’ and support special schools for children with learning disabilities

translated as fuck me get those kids away from ours they might infect them or something

Voting Utwit as a protest won't end well, either.

yanbu op. I am about the whole thing. Having read their policies (from the links above) I don't agree with all of them but don't find them particularly racist either. Ill thought through in a lot of cases.

A lot of the posts on here are reading stuff into them that just isn't there.

It's a bit like people have jumped on the hysteria bandwagon about them being racist. If they are such a big problem then why not just find evidence to discredit the policies. It wouldn't be that hard.

x2boys I think the thing is - at the moment the default position is one of inclusion in the mainstream, and removal from that inclusion has to be justified. I personally think this is the right way to go about things.

The UKIP position seems to be that segregation will be the default position. That is just wrong. I'm sorry, but it is.

Of course there are some children/adults for whole inclusion in mainstream education or society would be bewildering, confusing or damaging, and it is important that we as a society make appropriate provision for those individuals, but surely the RIGHT default position for every society should be that we embrace every member, regardless of their differences, not that we send them off somewhere where we don't have to look at them or think about them?

Some (not all) children with SN currently in mainstream schools would be better off in Special schools in my opinion

Luckily its not up to you. There are many, many children where a mainstream environment does work well. Inclusion is not a dirty word.

If UKIP ever get into power we will be leaving the country :(.

so I would welcome more special schools.
But each child is an individual and my Autistic Son did well in mainstream and is now at university. Why should he not have the option?

steady she said 'some' would be better off in a special school .

I am a mental health nurse Mrs Severe I started my training just as asylams were being closed and I would never want my son to go anywhere like that but a supported community when I am not there to look after him anymore well who else will look after him it scares me.

I wonder what the reality of that would actually be...shut away or actually more schemes like Remploy and independent supported housing schemes?

Remploy was a fantastic organisation when it was set up, but times have changed. Why the hell should I have to work in a factory making card board boxes when I have a brain?

Also what gives you or anyone else the right to tell me where I can live?

KIP want to go back to 1950.

Men having a right to rape their wives, few if any people who are not white unless of course we go to war and then millions can help us. To a time when you did not see disabled people and therefore did not need to think about them.

Voting Utwit as a protest won't end well, either.

Maybe not.........but it will make the Big 3 sit up and LISTEN, which they haven't done for years and years and years.

so where are they saying this mrs devere - can you link it?

so where does it say men will be allowed to rape their wives? Can you link that also?

In there 2010 manifesto tobysmum the one that has conveniently gone AWOL.

It was in their policy on Healthcare and the NHS. Section 6.
It read: Re-examine community care and support congregate communities for people with learning disabilites.

Oh, and as for reading stuff into it. Really? With everything UKIP members have said about disabilities? Are you surprised?
It's what every intelligent person does, they question, they discuss, they don't take things at face value. That's what scary about UKIP voters, they do, it's a convenient lie and will remain so until it's too late.

If you read my post dawndonna I said I stress some and yes I do think that there should be more special schools whilst your child may flourish in mainstream mine won't he will be abandonded and it will become increasingly obvious to his classmates he is not the same as them he can't talk for now I hope he gets into a special school.

Yes I know she said 'some'

The problem with the policy is that it doesn't say 'some', its a blanket policy. Children with special needs will be shipped off to Special Schools, and then they will grow into adults who will be shipped off to special 'communities' which is another UKIP policy.

somebody just said they want to go back to the 1950s that is basically what they are saying they dont want to deal with people who are not like them they want a nice english speaking healthy society, regardless of them changing their manifesto to hide the fact that they are bigots