to think that howling at people that they are racist is not...

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..the best way to challenge their thinking or change their views?

It crops up on here frequently and it is only going to become more frequent as UKIP campaigning steps up.

Just checking we were talking about the same thing. So, not 19th century, then?

Mart, I suggest you research a little more, the Atlantic slave trade involving black Africans was from the 16th to the 19th century.

The Irish slave trade.

Another of the 'wonderful' achievements of the country of which you are so proud.

Remove you have consistently denied the legacy of black slavery on this thread! So I don't know why you have just landed on the Irish aspect

Quite.

Hi Amber! I agree the Irish slave trade is a horrible part of our history, just like the African slave trade, and many others. I'm still proud of England as it is today and proud that we can move on from our history as better people.

Considering the "legacy" of anti Irish racism vis a vis the Irish Slave Trade and anti Irish discrimination as mentioned by Remove....funny how the Hibernians had not trouble at all discriminating and jumping on the Anti Black Racism caused by slavery in America, isn't it?
White people in the South were/are called "crackers" not because in relation to black people, white people are usually paler (as I naively thought the term referred to).
"Cracker" refers to the Irish and Scots white people who lived in the South who couldn't keep their penchant for being up for the "Craic", which any modern day person in Britain knows refers to the revelry one can usually find amongst liquored up Celtic folk.
However, for the blacks in the South, the "Craic" didn't translate into "come here and have a pint of Guinness, on me"....it included rape, running for your life, having your house burnt down, murder, etc.
What it didn't include was taking the pain of the Irish Slave trade and empathising with a set of people who didn't share the same colour, as is being asked of (in a whinging way) by Remove.
Certain people will always expect Black people to "play Mammy" and never acknowledge our pain if we can't acknowledge others' too.
I assume that Remove thinks that The Irish that emigrated to the US didn't partake of the White Supremacist advantage that America was carrying on with (and getting away with, blatantly) until (and in lots of cases, after) desegregation? Those Racists in Boston didn't contain not one case of the Famous Boston Irish who would have had the Blacks prisoned in Roxbury without coming out of its borders?
There must be a reason why I know of so many black people of West Indian extraction (and all that implies) with blatantly Irish surnames. All the Irish were cutting cane with the Africans and not one Irish Slave Owner amongst them!
Jesus be a Third Eye and a History Book on this "when is it going to get warm?" Saturday!

well well you learn something new everyday on MN - the etymology of 'cracker' thank you stooshe

To Hell and Barbados
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Here you go, an enlightening read about Irish slaves. Their descendants are still found in pockets if the West Indies. My relatives were discouraged from sitting next to these 'red legs' on the bus because they were incestuous drunks.

They went to segregated special schools too according to my DG.

Prejudice and bigotry from black to white there. That was in the late 1960s.

*of course, should say "were seen to be incestuous drunks."

Stooshe, even though you did infer I was whinging that was an interesting albeit hard (to) read. Thank you.

stooshe, every day is a school day. Thanks explaining the craic/cracker connection.

So Amber, you said yesterday there's no such thing as racism against white people. Still feel the same?

In the context of the conversation yesterday, yes I do.

Because, as Im sure you know really, we were talking about britain.

Why would I feel differently today?

Do you think that you have 'schooled' people on the Irish slave trade, that you alone just discovered that bit of history?

Have you learnt anything Removetheblinkers? or are you still claiming the world would be the same today even if slavery had never happened?

Interesting Amber! I think you'll find all I've been trying to do is prove racism against white people is very real. Plus Irish people live in Britain too.

The original argument stemmed from the UKIP social housing priority in which you straight away claimed it was racist against British black people. Well it's not. If you want to say its a racist policy then it's racist against both black AND white people. But it isn't racist, it's merely discriminatory against those without a strong connection, black or white.

Sadly and rather perversely I think it's you Amber that is racist against white people. (White people CAN be racist to other white people, and YOU are.)

I will not be contributing to this thread anymore.

I think you'll find all I've been trying to do is prove racism against white people is very real

You have been mainly trying to deny the existence of white privilege, don't miss that out!

Sadly and rather perversely I think it's you Amber that is racist against white people. (White people CAN be racist to other white people, and YOU are

Yes dear.

On another note entirely I got distracted reading some really interesting articles about the redlegs of barbados. I find this stuff really fascinating.

anyways from 1959 archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CARIBBEAN/2001-04/0986680712

Seems like the red legs refused to work with the black slaves and were originally often Irish and UK rebels from the Cromwell wars sold off for the colonies.

Mind you some if the language used to describe them back in the day was pretty horrific. But probably also to do with the upper class view of. Lower class whites. Is that classism? Not sure!

Ps none of this means there is no white privilege, especially in the uk.

Pps should I be pleased I am remove's nemesis?