To ask those of you who are pro life?

[Anonynony]

How do you feel about friends who have had abortions? Can you maintain friendships with people who have had an abortion and no regrets?

One of my friends has stunned me, talking about another friend of ours who had considered an abortion and my friend said I'm so glad she didn't because I wouldn't have been able to stay friends with her
I'm really surprised, I'm extremely pro choice and vocal about it but this doesn't bother my friend.
But what my friend doesn't know is that I also had an abortion and although I have no regrets I feel a bit strange around my friend now?

No woman can choose to have a late term abortion to go on holiday - it is illegal. Why do people keep saying - I don't know anyone who does that/there are no figures to show that happens. Of course not - it's illegal! Does that mean that no one ever seeks out late term abortions? No, it does not. Hence abortion doctors in the US being convicted because they have performed abortions outside of the legal guidelines. If you support something in theory then you should be prepared to support it in practice. Trying to wheedle your way out of it with all your 'but it wouldn't really happens' doesn't convince anyone.

RE Dawn's attempt again to censor opinions and prevent people from posting on a thread whose title explicitly asks for those opinions. Do you need to be reminded again that the person you are speaking on behalf of has already said that she did not want that to happen? I agree with ikea, set an example and stop posting yourself if your feel so strongly about. Technically, this thread was asking for the opinions of pro-lifers. Why are you here anyway?

Come on, when a mother kills her child she is assumed to be in need of help. She's not hunted down like a psychopathic gunman, is she?

Would you also say the same about mother's who kill their children? Is it ok to end the life of your offspring just because you have personal issues?
Nice understanding of mental illnesses there Ikea.

... and she is a massive anomaly. You can't (shouldn't) control all women's choices because a microscopic proportion of us lose the plot.

Would you also say the same about mother's who kill their children?

Of course not, and it's a red herring to class the two the same. A born baby has rights in law, which a foetus in utero doesn't.

Unless you're one of those utter misogynist twats who believe that foetus's in utero should be given legal personhood, so that women are considered to be continuously 'pre-pregnant'? Thus telling women that they have no control over their bodies ever? You know, like some Americans who want women to be completely responsible for their children's birth difficulties, a council in the UK which decided to attempt to prosecute some women for their alcohol use during pregnancy?

200,000 abortions annually. 200,000 adoptive parents. Don't think so.

So, you believe a woman has no rights over her own body, Ikea. yes that is exactly what I believe, come and remove my kidneys right now, and while you are at it take my fetus, feel free to rape me on the way out

How can you come to the conclusion that I believe a woman has no rights over her body from me saying that I don't believe a woman should have the right to abort a healthy fetus after the age where it could survive outside the uterus.

Do you believe that the UK government believes that a woman should have no rights over her own body as their law are pretty much in line with what I believe. If you do believe this then I am shocked that you are not out protesting.

Dawn, "Is throwing the thread off course helping your case? " Are you kidding? You are the one who has suggested all this 'stop posting' nonsense. You are doing more derailing than anyone else.

Ikea, good posts.

Not trying to censor anything Bumbly I'm here because you are and if you want to play the victim (again) go ahead. You are not the victim here and somebody has to stand up to you.

A born baby has rights in law, which a foetus in utero doesn't. in that case why is abortion of healthy fetuses after 24 weeks illegal?

Hence abortion doctors in the US being convicted because they have performed abortions outside of the legal guidelines.

Erm, one doctor was convicted (and murdered) for carrying out late abortions on women carrying seriously compromised babies.

An exhaustive study has found NO instances of late abortions being performed for ANY other reason in the US.

Is throwing the thread off course helping your case? my "case" is a lot closer to what you believe than many posters on here.

One doctor in recent years in the states as far as I can see. Not Doctors.

Yep all those women aborting*hiccuping smiling 36 week old foetus'

Where are they?

in that case why is abortion of healthy fetuses after 24 weeks illegal?

Because people like you wanted the date reduced. Mostly.

A 24 week old foetus doesn't have rights as a person. Hence why abortion is allowed in certain circumstances up to birth. Healthy foetus's can be aborted, if it will save the mother's life.

Capt, " A born baby has rights in law, which a foetus in utero doesn't."

Legally, they don't but morally - aside from location, what is the difference between a full term foetus in utero and a new born baby ?

Ikea Do you believe a woman in Malawi should be able to have an abortion at a later stage than a woman in the UK, given that the standard threshold for medical viability will be later?

Legally, they don't but morally - aside from location, what is the difference between a full term foetus in utero and a new born baby ?
erm, the law. You just said it.
Morally what is right about removing a woman's rights to autonomy over her own body?

George Tiller, Kermit Gosnell ....

Yep all those women abortinghiccuping smiling 36 week old foetus'

Where are they?*

Here one of them is.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-19621675

I'm supprised you are not trying to get her scentence overturned as it is clearly (according to your opinion) her right to end the life of her term fetus.

It seems worthwhile to point out the stats that DawnDonna kindly provided earlier seeing as we are jumping directly into hyperbole and strawman arguements again:

Of 189,931 abortions carried out in 2011, 146 were after 24 weeks. All of those were carried out in NHS hospitals rather indicating that they were for medical rather than personal reasons.

Some facts from the Department of Health.
The total number of abortions was 189,931, 0.2% more than in 2010 (189,574) and 7.7% more than in 2001 (176,364). •

The age-standardised abortion rate was 17.5 per 1,000 resident women aged 15-44, thesame as in 2010, but 2.3% higher than in 2001 (17.1) and more than double the rate of 8.0recorded in 1970. •

The abortion rate was highest at 33 per 1,000 for women aged 20, the same as in 2010 andin 2001.

The under-16 abortion rate was 3.4 per 1,000 women and the under-18 rate was 15.0 per1,000 women, both lower than in 2010 (3.9 and 16.5 per 1,000 women respectively) and in the year 2001 (3.7 and 18.0 per 1,000 women respectively).

96% of abortions were funded by the NHS. Over half (61%) took place in the independent sector under NHS contract, up from 59% in 2010 and 2% in 1981.

91% of abortions were carried out at under 13 weeks gestation. 78% were at under 10 weeks compared to 77% in 2010 and 58% in 2001.

Medical abortions accounted for 47% of the total, up from 43% in 2010 and 13% in 2001.

2,307 abortions (1%) were carried out under ground E (risk that the child would be born handicapped).

George Tiller, Kermit Gosnell ....

Is the ellipse supposed to indicate a string of other names? There is no such string.

If you want to point out that I conflated the only two stories of late-term abortionists, that's a strange way to do it

See what we need really is a coalition of the willing here.

Let's ban all abortions and those who are so eager to stand up and say it's murder etc then put their name on the register.

When their name is picked they then have to accept any child,that would have been aborted,into their homes and lives and raise them as their

Anyone holding banners outside clinic's would be overjoyed to be actually doing something practical for those poor bubbas

Dawn, I'm not the one making personal attacks. You have no need to 'stand up to me.' Is that you trying to play the victim?

You are trying to stop people from posting their opinions. The thread specifically asked for opinions from pro-lifers. If you find it offensive, you don't need to be here and you certainly have no right to try to stop the thread. Seriously, give it a rest.

Still more than one Garlic.