josie cunningham.

[CunningAtBothEnds]

I have read an article on the above where she states despite being 18 weeks pregnant and pleased up until now she will be having an abortion to "further her career" namely to qppear on big brother.

whether this is morally ok is one thing but AIBU to ask if an abortion for the reasons she gives is legal? i suppose its similar to someone saying its not the right time, just more brazen?

(I consider myself pro choice btw I just find her apparent callousness a bit tough to take)

Agree totally with 70. Feel very sorry for her children and do hope SS are on her case.

I wouldn't be surprised if BB/ch5 aren't rubbing their hands in glee with all the extra attention the (ailing) programme is getting.

Wouldn't be surprised if JC keeps the baby - another 9 months plus of tales to keep her in the '15'mins. Plus ok type baby pics. Who's the daddy articles etc...

Wouldn't be surprised if JC aborts - another few weeks of tales to keep her in the '15'mins.

Wouldn't be surprised if BB/ch5 allow her on programme pregnant - good for viewing figs.

Wouldn't be surprised if BB/ch5 allow her on programme not pregnant - good for viewing figures.

Yeah, I think the media's ethical position on this one sucks.

The trouble is, Eminy, hard cases make bad law.

The current rules allow abortion after 24 weeks only In Exceptional medical circumstances. Short of bringing that line forward to, say, 16 weeks, some abortions will be had for reasons that not everyone will agree with. If you think the foetus attains personhood at sometime before 24 weeks, then all abortions after that time are unethical unless under exceptional medical circumstances, surely?

What do children's services have to do with someone choosing to have an abortion?

[Needs] I am pro abortion but choosing (possibly) to have an abortion so late for such a pathetic reason what sort of caring mother would do that? Don't her children deserve better?

I feel very sorry for her. She certainly doesn't strike me as being well and now she is being exploited for tabloid entertainment and to give us something to froth over.

God knows who is advising her but it's certainly not anyone who gives a fuck about her.

Just incredibly sad :(

"God knows who is advising her but it's certainly not anyone who gives a fuck about her."

I agree.

Plenty of existing mothers have abortions; you and SS have no idea of the timing or the reasons, usually. And, TBF, she hasn't actually had the abortion yet, AFAIK, and may still change her mind.

Exactly Doctrine. All that free advertising. You can almost hear the channel/programme execs creaming their pants with every mention of her name.

It must be like a 'so true' cringey 'Thick of It' episode in their meeting rooms. Spin, spin, spin people.

Yep, I suspect that she actually won't go ahead with the abortion and then claim that she is the best mother alive etc etc. Still have absolutely no sympathy for her.

I'll save my anger for the people who think the public destruction of a vulnerable young woman is a glorious opportunity for profit.

The newspapers and media companies who hold up a pregnant, damaged, sex worker with two young children and likely mental health issues and encourage her to be ripped apart for fun and financial gain.

Those people I can get angry about.

Her I can only feel pity for.

It's everybody's prerogative to dislike this woman, or her media image, as much as they want.

It's nobody's prerogative to deny her an abortion provided she meets the criteria of the "two doctor" opinion, or to deny her anything else she gets as a citizen, such as protection under the law, an objective view from social services etc.

I read about this in the Mirror and I prayed the whole way through that it wasn't true.

I am staunchly pro-choice but still this sits uncomfortably with me, but I think it's more because I don't understand why she is telling the world?

My mum had an abortion after having 2 children. Sis and me were both at school, mum had just found a good job, it was bad timing and I don't see anything wrong with that reasoning.

This woman is really just a modern version of that really. She had a job offer which could make her a lot of money. She wouldn't get the job if she was pregnant so she chose an abortion.

But somehow it doesn't seem the same and I'm questioning why I find it so difficult not to find her actions repulsive.

If I didn't know the job was CBB, if I didn't know about the breast implants and the rest of her back story I don't think I'd have a problem with her decision.

She's been set up as the poster child for everything that is wrong with society (according to some) and the media saw her coming a fucking mile away, shame on them.

Fuck me,so now your a bad mother for having a abortion at 18 weeks because some people on the Internet disagree with your reasons for wanting one.

That's low

She had a job offer which could make her a lot of money. She wouldn't get the job if she was pregnant so she chose an abortion.

Yes that's what's fucked up and not actually being examined. A woman not being able to have a job because she's pregnant. Same old. Same old.

This story has thrown up so many issues scallops that one didn't even register!

i never thought about that either

it is a shame so many are unable to look beyond the headlines even when it is from the woman hating dm

Yes I only registered it because you mentioned it.

Freudian it's given me so much food for thought. I had an initial knee jerk reaction then started to analyse what was really going on.

It's so bloody easy to get sucked in though and feel the outrage that they (the DM and such like) so carefully instigate.

Is it me or does it not make sense? Have an abortion to be on bb, going to work to pay back the money for the boob job, but she spent the money on clothes for the new baby. Erm, none of this story makes sense. What do I expect from the daily fail.