josie cunningham.

[CunningAtBothEnds]

I have read an article on the above where she states despite being 18 weeks pregnant and pleased up until now she will be having an abortion to "further her career" namely to qppear on big brother.

whether this is morally ok is one thing but AIBU to ask if an abortion for the reasons she gives is legal? i suppose its similar to someone saying its not the right time, just more brazen?

(I consider myself pro choice btw I just find her apparent callousness a bit tough to take)

"Yes that's what's fucked up and not actually being examined. A woman not being able to have a job because she's pregnant. Same old. Same old."

Hmm. I wonder if BB have an exemption from sex discrimination laws on the same grounds that you can restrict applicants for an acting job by gender, age, race - or if they are actually open to legal action here, like the Beeb and the Countryfile presenter.

She doesn't sound like a wel gel, but rather one who is being badly let down by NHS mental health services tbh. If she gets an it'll be because abortion is legal when a mother's MH is at risk, at the discretion of those far better qualified than "journalist" to make that call.

From this perspective I'm furious that someone so vulnerable should be so exploited by the Daily Fail. I thought we had laws to protect the vulnerable from this sort of thing? imho this woman is being failed badly by a number of agencies that taxpayer funds generously to protect her.

her two existing children can so easily be identified from this story.

Agree on the comment about how a woman shouldn't have to have an abortion in order to do a job of work too!

She's the victim, not the bad guy here.

Given that she has plastered her reasons for wanting the abortion all over the place, how is she supposed to get two doctors to sign off on this?

Selfish,arrogant woman. I'm not being unkind but she doesn't look like model material to me. I wonder if she is just saying that for the publicity,5 months gone and showing off her bump and scan and then saying she will abort,doesn't make any sense to me. I would be ashamed if she was a member of my family.

She ticks all the Daily Mail Bingo Boxes:

But I still don't see her as the victim here.It's not like putting off a house move or going to University. She's considering terminating a pg because she's short listed for some tacky TV show.

She's used by the press I agree, but she has made choices-
the choice to have the surgery and go public.
(I did some Googling - for shame) the dad was a client or a friend she has casual sex with.
The client - she gave alot of detail about his age, marital status and profession- asked her to keep quiet. Did she? No,

The Friend-with-Benefits. Is he the International Footballer? Anyone who knows her will work out who this man is.

She's got two boys and she's had five MCs.
Even if she does go on CBB next year , what will be next on her agenda? More surgery? Another baby?

If she was my daughter (and I am old enough to be her mother) I'd weep.

Agreed it's a tacky tv show but replace CBB with a 12 month contract at a city bank, with a guaranteed bonus of £10k after the 12 months. You won't be able to fulfil the contract if you're pregnant. If that was your dd would you still weep?

She's not guaranteed the CBB gig though.
And it's the fact she treats this pregnancy like it's going to get in the way of her 'career' and the big house and Pink Range Rover.

She can do what she likes. She can bonk the entire football team if she wants.

It's no skin off my nose.
It's just the ideal she has of the sudden fame and stardom.
If she worked in a bank, chances are the contract (or equivilant) would be there next year.
CBB won't be.

But, as I've said (either on this thread or another) I think alot of the DM report is a bit economical with the truth,

I am in favour of abortion on demand at any stage. Women should have the absolute right to decide what happens to their bodies.

I feel sorry for this girl, who is clearly a mess. She seems to be going out of her way to make herself hated, which suggests some nasty MH issues - it's almost as though she wants to be shamed and punished, because she hates herself. And the tabloids are going to tear her to pieces, despite the fact that her story is of no actual interest or relevance to anyone else.

In the very few seconds of TV that I saw Katie Price (in her series with The Orange One) she was either really mean to him (the surprise party he threw for her) or
"Well that'll be all over the Press tomorrow"

Yes because your PR Team will ake sure it is.

KP has always been portrayed as a very unpleasant character (no idea if she is, but she's also clever)

The TOWIE crew

Kerry K (though she's slunk away to have her new baby) is always hated by the Press.

So yes, Miss Cunningham has done her best to step into their shoes. But she lacks talent or any likeability.

If we ignore her will she go away then?
Like the shape in your bedroom that you know is a dressing gown but it looks like a creepy bloke standing by your wardrobe?

Yes, yes she will! All I need is international cooperation. I have it all worked out.

I have a pet hypothesis that if the entire nation and bits of Europe refuse to buy gossip magazines featuring a particular celebrity and refuse to click on any articles featuring said celebrity, and we send a few emails explaining why the boycott is occurring, the Power of the Market will protect us from ever seeing the personage again.

I would be ashamed if she was a member of my family. So would I. But not because of her antics, but because my family had failed her so spectacularly!

Where is her family in this? Everyone is concerned for her little lads, but no one is concerned for her. It's tragic that she sees a termination as a route to success.

Why do some people suck up the lies in these articles as gospel truth and froth about them.

Ie she had a boob job on NHS ..because she had a medical condition.

She had dental work when pregnant..loads of people do, she probably had toothache.

She was proud of scan photo and buying clothes then decided she wanted an abortion..well clearly she has some difficult issues gong on.

People are even bitching about her miscarriages.

I mean why not think a wee bit deeper than what the tabloids are trying to make you rage about.

Depressing.

And I am looking at you here aeroflotgirl and ddubsgirl

There is some rough horrible stuff on FB and Twitter about her. Death threats included. What does these people think they are achieving? Do they really think that their outpourings of hate are going to change anything?

She has been really stupid in her pursuit for fame, but I save my ire for the Daily Mirror et al who have pushed this story, knowing what was going to happen.

If any of her story is true, then she is a terribly damaged individual. She doesn't deserve the vitriol being thrown at her.

Her body, her right to choose. She should have kept this private.

I think her local MH team need to stage an intervention. If she is deemed well by a MH assessment then I think social services should get involved for the sake of her other kids. Either way , she needs serious help and I feel extremely sad for her unborn baby whatever the outcome for it may be ...

"I would be ashamed if she was a member of my family. So would I. But not because of her antics, but because my family had failed her so spectacularly! "

I have spoken about one female relative, in depth on MN.

She has just used abortion as contraception (I know of a few vulnerable/abused young women who have). She is already planning another pregnancy, but intends to go ahead with it, possibly. She has lost residency of one child.

She was failed by her Birth Mother and SS planning.

At nearly 19, we (wider family) are picking up the pieces.

She has just finished CAHMS, they recommended Charity Young People Counselling/Services, as she is over reliant on professionals, she is rejecting going.

There is little that "a family" can do, sometimes.

We could go NC, in a tough love way, but as she has had one suicide attempt, this could be her death sentence, plus we are the ones keeping contact going with her existing child. We know NC will not do anyone any good.

You cannot solve other peoples deep rooted problems.

I don't agree with abortion as contraception.

I do think that in cases like this, were the woman has scan pictures etc, an abortion will add to their MH/emotional issues.

I hate papers like the DM and how far the reality shows are pushing boundaries.

Women like Josie are not better or worse than any person who has severe issues, it's just unfortunate that their ability to carry/have a child also becomes part of their mistakes.

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"And it's the fact she treats this pregnancy like it's going to get in the way of her 'career' "

She's been told by C5 that the pregnancy will get in the way of this career.

As for the big house and the pink jeep - plenty of us limit the size of our families to afford nicer houses, bigger cars, overseas holidays etc.

"If she worked in a bank, chances are the contract (or equivilant) would be there next year."

Maybe, maybe not. It could be a spring board. BB has been a spring board for others to get famous.

Or infamous.

Abortion is never used as contraception. Likening abortion and contraception is just more women-hating rubbish.

Sadly, it wouldn't surpriise me if it was used as contraception scallops.

I am pro choice, so for what ever reason she want an abortion I support that.

What I don't like is the fact that it posted on the media.