27 year old Grandmother

[bongobaby]

Her 12 year old daughter has given birth last Sundayand the dad is 13. She fell pregnant in year 6 of primary school. They are totally in love and into each other and want to get married.
Why an earth would you want to be a grandmother at 27 with a daughter of 12 now a mother.

I think if he has named himself then he is admitting the crime and should be prosecuted based on that alone tbh. Ridiculous that they say they need physical proof when he is admitting it.

Of course you can force someone who is reasonably suspected of a very serious sexual offence to give DNA. And you can request family members to give DNA to rule them out of consideration (if you have the mother and baby's DNA then AFAIK you can work out whether the father is a close blood relative, and if you had other family samples you could work out who it was - of course a lot of abusers are non-blood relatives living in the house).

I agree that a blood test to rule out abuse by an older man is a worthwhile minor intrusion in order to protect vulnerable children from rape and to punish some truly evil men. As long as it's made clear to the girls that a genuine Romeo and Juliet situation won't result in a young teen father being imprisoned then there shouldn't be a problem.

i agree wrt the birth cert, sillybilly. i am incredibly disappointed in the police over this. in the light of rochdale etc you like to think changes might have been made but it seems not

A birth cert is a legal document declaring parentage. You cant get a much clearer admission than that. I cant remember if parents have to sign off the details printed on birth cert but unmarried fathers have to be present to get their name on and at 14 she wont have been married so he will have been in that room and agreed to his name declaring him father of that baby conceived with an under age child. That is an admission of the crime surely.

Yes, I think the DNA test on that man is unnecessary unless he is saying he lied when he agreed to go on the birth certificate. I don't know the case but are the police really refusing to prosecute because he refuses a DNA test or for some other reason (for example, they don't believe it's in the best interest of the victim and the child)

A DNA test can be court ordered in the case of refusal to pay child support due to denying paternity. Surely a birth cert admitting parentage is enough evidence to warrant a court ordered DNA test on the man? Of course that also requires the mother to consent to a test on the baby and if she has named him on cert then in all likelyhood they are together or on good terms and she wont want him prosecuted. I still think birth cert should be enough to prosecute though.

"I still think birth cert should be enough to prosecute though."

Hypothetically, if the police had interviewed the girl and she'd said that she had told the father she was 16 and would swear that in court, they might not have much of a case.

As I understand it Snatch, one of the differences between illegal sexual activity with an under 13 year old vs with a 13-15 year old, is that there is no defence of mistaken belief that the child was overage. She could have presented him with a forged birth certificate and the sworn testimony of The Lord Chancellor, along with a panel of 10 Years Younger bystanders saying she looked 25, but that's no defence in law.

....and I've just realised that we're talking about the 13/14 year old case aren't we, so all that doesn't apply . It's still a defence that has to be specfically raised and proven though, and the burden of proof is on the defendant - and it's normally pretty easy to find how old a schoolgirl is if you can be arsed to check.

I was talking about the case of the 14 and 28 year old, from the perspective of exactly that as the possible "defence" for the 28 year old and why perhaps the police aren't pursuing.

Ah, x-post!

Yy it would have to be raised, hence my "hypothetically" above - if the girl would swear in court that she did lie about her age, I can see why the CPS might not take it forward.

Of course, nothing of the sort may have been said and the police might be being too laid back on this case.

I wish we could like these posts like facebook ! Haha well said! .. It worries me to think that people on this thread are tarring an 11 year old with the same brush as a 17 year old... this is not a "young" pregnancy this is a child pregnancy- It's abuse by neglect xx

Erm...@Duemarch2021

The “12” year old will be an adult now. Check the date of the OP! Why on earth did you resurrect a six year old post?

@Sarahquilt...My.son who.is 12 had a.classmate.get.caught having sex at school. The baby was born last month. Should her parents be charged with child abuse/neglect?

@Leaannb The post is over six years old, I don’t think she will reply to you.

@specialmagiclady

I think I'd choose grandmother at 27 over my poor MIL grandmother at 70+ now at 80 too blind, forgetful and generally infirm to look after them (which means not only that she can't help us out which she would love to do, but also that she doesn't know the children very well as she never has alone time with them).

So of course not desirable but of the two, I'd choose young granny over old.

If you would prefer your 11-12 year old daughter got pregnant over being an old gran, then frankly I would question whether you were a good mum.

Oh FFFFFFFFFS

ZOMBIE THREAD

I havent seen the headline, but unless the Mom was encouraging the daughter to have sex, what do you want her to do OP? Kids don't always do as their parents say. Perhaps Mom said look i was bloody young when you were born and it was hard, don't do it. Perhaps the daughter decided she wanted to do it anyway. Maybe despite the education they used the condom wrong or thought it wouldn't happen because they were so young. Kids screw up because their kids. Parents have to help clear up the mess.
But i'm assuminmg that even at 11 the Mom couldn't pin her daughter down and demand an abortion for her, and legally couldn't sneak her abortion pills even asuming she knew in time.

So what op, do you want mom to do?

Wow, clearly people really don’t bother to read the full thread do they?

I think this is a serious case of child neglect in some form or another. Very wrong, if your child of 12 had had a baby you would be mortified, obviously you wouldnt love the grand child any less but what on earth has this mother been doing in relation to protecting her child. I hope social services are involved.

I hope social services are involved.

6 years is a bit long to be involved don’t you think 😂

'Why isn't the father being prosecuted?'

Probably because he is a child too (13). The story is so sad.

Oh, actually he'd be 19 by now - just noticed this post is from 2014. Still, a very sad story.

Imagine our ds/dd being in her class at school knowing that their 11 year old classmate is pregnant. How is that in their intrest that this is ok. It is not as I clutch my pearls ok to do this or have those classmates think its acceptable.

So you don't actually give a shit about this poor 12yo girl? I knew girls who became pregnant at school, and it didn't turn me into a nympho.