to vote UKIP?

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Over time I have warmed to UKIP. I see the other parties as self serving bullshitters. Recently I looked at schools for dd, every local school is bursting at the seams, bulge years etc and it's likely I won't get a school of choice. I've been told be teachers and other parents that a high percentage of the children at said schools do not speak English, so rather than teaching maths, the teachers spend more time just trying to teach English to non English speakers.

I live in an average area, I've been told be friends in other areas that it's the same there. There's not enough housing, schools and NHS resources to cope with the levels of immigration. So which stupid power hungry politicians decided it was a good idea to allow all this immigration when there wasn't the infrastructure to cope with it or the funds to pay for more schools etc?

I'm not from a 'British' family myself and have plenty of non British friends, it's not about racism, it's common sense, you can't have an uncontrolled surge in population and expect public services to cope unless you're happy to pay for it. Though I'm sure the govt arehappy that this has caused wages to be driven down...

Aibu?

Can Nigel Farage solve the issue? Is it rational to think that he can? Has he said anything or talked about any concrete policies that are realistically going to solve the issue?

That is not remotely relevant to whether people who vote for him should have their votes removed Imp

I think there are a number of people out there that will vote UKIP just to get a referendum. The main 3 don't respect the voters enough to want to know our views on the EU

haven't the Tories promised a referendum ?

Yes, they promised it last time too but it didn't materialise.

No Nancy the have said the want to re negotiate first however we have been told quite clearly just like the Scottish have it's our way of the highway

poster Fleta. I think what the op is getting at is that of the parents couldn't speak English which is very likey they wouldn't be here in the first place to clog the schools up

Like I said up the thread though, there are schools round here (I've worked in them, my mum works in one) who have a massive percentage of non-English speakers at intake, are third/fourth generation immigrants.

I just can't tally the worry about her children's education they're receiving now with UKIP's immigration policy

That is not remotely relevant to whether people who vote for him should have their votes removed Imp

With my sensible hat on I don't believe that they should either....but with my non sensible hat on (which is the one that I wear most of the time) I do have concerns for the mental capacity of people that are prepared to vote for a party who thinks homosexuality is responsible for the floods.

Not long until Scottish Referendum, guess that will have a huge knock on effect on our general election if they vote for independence

In a word

"Yes"

But then its everyone's right to be ignorant unfortunately.

Add message | Report | Message poster AramintaDeWinter Thu 03-Apr-14 13:42:53

Prime expample of labour were addressing the working class grievances then we wouldn't be in this mess but simply calling people rasicits will seek to entrench there view they they are not cared about this is what labour did and rued the day nearly everyone I know who is over 60 black or white is thinking about voting UKIP and most of the white working class people I know have ALOT of time for UKIP and think re ed is a bumming baffon

Skipped straight to the last page as life's too short! My view is that you vote for whoever you want to.

I'll certainly be voting UKIP as I see it as giving the other useless, country destroying bastards a kick up the arse.

Plus I agree with a lot of their (less "ist") policies.

Worst case scenario, they'll get voted after 4 years....

Me personally I don't know who to vote for

Don't think Tory's have done far enough with some of the reforms

UKIP have well fruit loops and there anti gay thing really pisses me off (let the fucking gays get wed for fuck sake)

And well labour red ed makes mk skin crawl and looks like he's wondered in off the street often can't see him standing should to shoulder with Obama really

Major Grinch, do you think for one second they will do away with their 'ist' policies because you don't like them should we have the misfortune to have these people in government?

They don't actually have any workable policies at all. They are just bandying about rhetoric that they think people want to hear.

None of the parties are going to cure this country of its ills. But I'd rather vote for one that isn't going to euthanise those that are too old or disabled and want to see women back in the kitchen.

impatient you have some strange views. i dont believe the population are dim - i believe politicians are the ones who go out to confuse the population - you cannot get a straight answer out of any of them because they dont want to be tied down when the smelly stuff hits the fan. Even if you do get a straight answer one day it changes the following or someone else in their party comes out with the opposite a week later. It matters not one jot if you believe their policies anyway because once they get into power they WILL NOT deliver on any of it because they will say ah but its worse than we thought so we cannot do this, cant do that etc. etc. its all utter nonsense and spin.

tiggytape you speak a lot of sense - right now as you say labour wont fix this issue because they have not decided what their policy for education will be yet - how can anyone vote for a policy that does not exist?

Worst case scenario, they'll get voted after 4 years....

Having, during those four years, completely ruined the economy, education and health systems, decanted the disabled into the little ghettoes they're planning, criminalised homosexuality, sent a load of settled immigrants to somewhere that is definitely not 'home' for them, and made us a major laughing stock all over the world. Do you seriously want to risk even a fraction of that?

I have a horrible feeling we may end up with a ConKip coalition next year. I'm constantly surprised by the amount of intelligent, well educated people I know (one of whom I am married to) who are pledging to vote UKIP next year. Try as I might to present them with the bare facts, eg. that there are more British people living in other countries than there are immigrants to this country, the tax contribution made by immigrants etc. - they refuse to listen. There is only one point on which I agree with the UKIP sympathisers. I am the child of an Indian immigrant family who made a huge effort to integrate and proudly proclaim themselves British now. It isn't a myth that many second, third, even fourth generation immigrants who are BORN British are not speaking English as their first language. As someone up thread pointed out, what would UKIP do about that? It was such a big deal to my family to speak and write beautiful English and make an effort to become part of their community that I do get cross when others come here and don't do that. But that's the only point I can give them.

But every other thing UKIP stands for stinks IMO. They're basically a fiscally right wing branch of the BNP for people who start sentences with "I'm not racist, but..."

"Self-serving bullshitters" describe Farage and his party members perfectly. UKIP are full of crap and bigoted to boot. The few policies they have are flawed at best, and downright wrong at worst.^This!!

OP you might be interested in this with regards to self serving bullshitters, www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/03/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-reduce-tax-bill-ukip

I have a horrible feeling we may end up with a ConKip coalition next year.

You think so?

It doesn't bear thiking about.