To absolutely fucking hate...

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...kids that squeal at the top of their voices for absolutely no reason than wanting attention!

And also their parents for not making them shut the hell up!

Im not talking babies or even toddlers, but young children just bloody squealing! Argh!!!!!!

See that could be sardonic. My favourite kind of funny.
But in this case, no, I think not.
It was just mean.

Ah, see what you mean. I was trying to assume a spiteful tone there. Which is what I got from OP.

Lying I apologise for my name calling last night. I'm not generally that rude

sorry but if the complaint is screaming kids - an your child with SN screams it IS about your child - as much as it is about any other child

^^this

and chocolate for you Fanjo.

Thanks

Tilly good try. Not spiteful enough.

I have kids without SN who sometimes squeal & I can't control their volume. It really doesn't bother me.
tiny babies screaming in genuine distress upsets me enormously, though.

A drop of fanjo? Tis best Chat Eau Neuf (cat's water no 9).

You realise that on threads I'm on, that reads as 'A drop of Fanjo....'

Yes please

Yes I'd prefer wine to fanjo

Is it really? Excellent!

Yes.. I thought I had pulled

Only halfway through reading this thread, but I'm going to comment on people's perceptions, regardless.

I have a 10 year old. If you bump into us in the supermarket, we're likely to be discussing the ingredients of smoothies or the price of biscuits. His contribution to the conversation will be articulate.

I also have an almost 8 year old. If you saw us, yesterday, we were taking it in turns to wordlessly babble a tune at each other, doing a silly dance, by the checkouts.

The SN of the 10yo is only obvious to onlookers about 10% of the time, while that of the 8yo is obvious 90% of the time.

Both have done their fair share of squealing in public places. DS1 both squeals and finds DS2's squealing painful.

Lying,
'were out and a child was squealing/screaming, I'd probably assume it had special needs but, since I wouldn't react in any way (apart from leave asap), there's nothing for the parent to feel sensitive about. Although, if I had a squealing child (that wouldn't stop for whatever reason), I'd remove him/her as quickly as I could'

Watch your language!

'IT' for someone else's child with SN but 'him/her' for your own NT child.

'You hardly championing SN by raising awareness in that manner'

Parents of children with SN aren't champions. I get very worried about this kind of language as it put expectations on these parents to somehow have resources they just don't have and helps justify limiting responsibility of society to help and support.

In truth they are as good and as shit parents as any other with a likely leaning more towards shit due to the relentlessness and demands of their role and their increased likelihood of living in poverty.

'For instance I live next door to some, so I know for a fact they're not SN'

I imagine that is what our neighbours would say despite the fact that Ds has moderate autism.

Don't be so ignorant.

Wow, this thread makes me very very sad :(.

I don't like screaming squealing kids. And yes I will look. Occasionally I might even think about judging. But the language and vitriol displayed on this thread is just awful :(.

I have a DS with special needs and there are very few people who know that - certainly not our next door neighbours. I try as best I can (just like most parents - whether they have SN children or not) to ensure he doesn't annoy other people or make too much fuss or noise when we are out. But sometimes it happens. Sometimes he is so unhappy and anxious and stressed that he has a meltdown. And no, I don't slap him or shout at him. I deal with it as best I can whilst trying to understand that he is scared and stressed.

To think that there are people out there who might "absolutely fucking hate" this or who think I should get him to "fuck the hell up" makes me both very very angry and very very sad :(

RaRa... 'IT' for someone else's child with SN but 'him/her' for your own NT child.

As I would have no way of knowing whether a child had SN or not, your point makes no sense. I'm inclined to use he/she/it intermittently, would about my own and I'm no child-hater.

That's the difference actually... with the exception of WetAugust and Pagwatch (both of whom have child(ren) with SN), it's very much a leap to attack rather than bothering to actually read properly/comprehend/clarify. Carry on if you like but posting the way you and some of the others do just makes for an even bigger chasm in understanding - and even interest in engaging - and I won't make that mistake in future.

It is simply not possible for me to take a screaming child, NT or otherwise, out of a supermarket and home because:

1. That's a sure fire way to ensure his/her screaming increases whenever they want to get out of doing something therefore increasing the problem.
2. If I have driven I have to scan my receipt for £20 to get out of the car park.
3. If I have had to drag 3 kids to the supermarket on the bus then I really am unable to feed them and myself until I have those groceries.
4. I cannot afford the return bus fair twice.
5. I time my visits for when the times when the food is discounted and no other time is affordable.

Lying, please show me the words I used that you are claiming is an attack.

Language is really important. I trained as an antenatal teacher and some students had to be trained out of calling the baby an IT.

can someone explain why this thread has been allowed to stand, given that the OP never returned and it was, I think, clearly set up to goad? MN have deleted other threads when they see that, so why not this one? It should have been deleted pages back.

I have a child with profound special needs except he is now a young man of almost 23. He is severely autistc and has Tourettes amongst other things. He can be noisy. Very noisy. He can scream like no one else. That said tho I really do wish those of us who have children like him would not get all arsed annoyed when someone makes a very innocent post like the OP did. Is it at all possible that we just might stop and think for a minute - och its probably a very innocent generalisation. Why hammer people when we need them on board with us? You catch more flies with cider than vinegar.

There really is no need to be hammering someone for what reads to me as a very innocent post.

I was on a bus the other day with a screaming, screaming child. High pitched, piercing and totally inescapable. His mother was worn down and defeated. I'm sure everyone on the bus was suffering - my 3yo was horrified by the noise - but not one person tutted or complained. Someone quietly picked up the shoes he was kicking off which was kind. None of us enjoyed it but there was nothing that mother could do and no way should she have made a horrible journey worse by getting off the bus early and dragging him along the pavement (as she had to do when she reached her stop).

No idea whether that boy had SN. Never considered him a 'brat'. I felt sympathy for his lack of control, sympathy for the mother, sympathy for everyone on the bus listening to it as it was painful.

If you go out in public, you will encounter annoyances and discomfort as a result of sharing space with other people. I hardly expect a supermarket trip to be an oasis of peace and tranquility. A child may be loud or annoying but I don't have to put up with it for long so I'd rather reserve judgement, not make assumptions and would certainly prefer to hear squealing than see a child being hit. Either stay at home where you can control the environment or accept that leaving the house means you may be irked by others whether as a result of inconsiderate behaviour, SNs or people who simply have different expectations to you.